PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

But we genuinely and deliberately didn't cooperate with UEFA's Investigatory panel, so that's not really a problem. I'm assuming we've handed over everything the PL asked for.

Everything we were required to hand over, presumably.

 

[HelloCity]

But we genuinely and deliberately didn't cooperate with UEFA's Investigatory panel, so that's not really a problem. I'm assuming we've handed over everything the PL asked for.

I could see them asking for documents out of their jurisdiction such as documents directly from Etihad - City/Etihad maybe then told them it wasn't happening.

 

[IronsideKozuch]

If we r cleared of all charges but non cooperation how can they say we have not cooperated? We have obviously given them all the accounts that was needed they have been passed they have found no other evidence of what we are accused of so therefore we have cooperated? Or am I missing something?

exactly. Its like PL saying City shot the dog and should return the gun to the deposit. City is saying we did not and thus we cant deliver the gun to You, which we have never possesed. And PL charges us with the dog murder and not cooperation to bring the gun to them

 

[Lord Blue]

Anyone watch the South Stand show today on YT?

The host alledges from a message from his contact in the club, reason for the delay is down to this.

City have been cleared of everything, other than a non-cooperationwhich will result in City getting a huge fine + 3 points deducted.

City not happy and want full exonoration, or something where they get statements from all PL clubs stating they believe City to be not guilty (silly i know)

this is a liability hearing.

not a chance that a fine and points have been discussed.

whats more, pretty sure that they can't give a points penalty for non cooperation.

therefore, for me, it's a bullshit source.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Everything we were required to hand over, presumably.

Yes. I assume there were some discussions over what we were required to hand over.

 

[IronsideKozuch]

Yes. I assume there were some discussions over what we were required to hand over.

Some of the documents they requested are certainly those of our sponsors. So we said they wrong, because these are trade secrets of huge companies like Etihad.

The key issue will be the extent to which PL requested the documents, and whether that was excessive from the standpoint of what was necessary to substantiate the allegations, versus avoiding placing undue burden on third-party companies.

 

[Paladin]

What’s funny to me is that IF we were given a points deduction that effectively relegated us before a ball was kicked, it would be so freeing as to unleash a team of world class players in a way that would be otherwise impossible!

Teams would still need points off us, but it wouldn’t matter to us what the score was!

Can anyone imagine if Pep’s team talk was “OK lads, you know what you’re doing…go fuck em up and run up the score as much as you can! Let’s show these fuckers what they’re going to be missing for a year next season!”

City games would be the most entertaining game of the week, every week, if the gloves came off, and Ederson might even get to take a few free kicks and penalties!

Inflatable Bananas for everyone! The Party is coming to town!

Relegated with 200 goals scored.

 

[waspish]

I'd take that with a pinch of salt to be honest. I think even Stefan will agree that there's almost zero possibility of a points deduction for non-cooperation, as it hasn't gained us a sporting advantage. If there was a points deduction then we'd certainly appeal that.

It would also mean that the sanction hearing has been held following the main hearing to establish whether we've breached any of the rules. That would in turn mean that the outcome is known, which he's been adamant isn't the case (and I'm not being sarcastic here). The understanding is that the hearing to determine sanctions would only be held once the verdict and reasons had been released.

In its grok and I was curious because I thought I heard that points could be deducted for none compliance! We know how these weasels work so wouldn’t put it past them to do it!

Yes, the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) allow for points deductions as a potential sanction for clubs that breach the rules, including cases where a club fails to cooperate significantly. Under PSR, clubs must adhere to financial limits, with a maximum allowable loss of £105 million over a three-year period (or £35 million per season, adjusted for certain exemptions like infrastructure, youth development, and women’s football). If a club exceeds this threshold or fails to comply with the Premier League’s financial monitoring requirements, it can be referred to an independent commission for disciplinary action.

The sanctions for breaching PSR, as outlined in the rules, can include:
- **Unlimited fines**
- **Points deductions**
- **Match replays**
- **Expulsion from the Premier League**
- Or any other sanction the independent commission deems appropriate.

While the rules don’t explicitly state that non-cooperation alone leads to a points deduction, a lack of cooperation—such as failing to provide accurate financial information or obstructing the investigation process—can aggravate the breach. This may influence the severity of the penalty, as the commission considers factors like the extent of the breach, mitigating circumstances, and the club’s level of cooperation. For example, Everton and Nottingham Forest faced points deductions (six and four points, respectively, in the 2023/24 season) for PSR breaches, with their cooperation or lack thereof factored into the final sanction. Everton’s initial 10-point deduction was reduced to six on appeal, partly due to arguments about the proportionality of the penalty and their cooperation.[](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13041990/premier-league-financial-fair-play-rules-explained-what-restrictions-are-there-on-clubs-spending-what-they-want)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

If a club’s non-cooperation is deemed "on a major scale," it could lead to harsher penalties, as the commission has broad discretion to impose sanctions based on the specifics of the case, including failure to adhere to requirements like submitting accurate accounts or providing future financial projections. However, the exact outcome depends on the independent commission’s judgment, and non-cooperation would likely be one of several factors considered.[](https://www.brabners.com/insights/sport/navigating-the-premier-leagues-profit-and-sustainability-rules-new-loopholes-explained)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

For further details, you can refer to the Premier League’s official rules or statements on PSR enforcement, such as those available on their website or through legal analyses like those from Brabners or Kennedys Law. If you want me to dig deeper into specific cases or rule clauses, let me know[](https://kennedyslaw.com/en/thought-leadership/article/2025/goodbye-psr-a-look-at-the-new-financial-control-systems-being-trialled-by-the-premier-league-from-202425/)

 

[Blueknows]

In its grok and I was curious because I thought I heard that points could be deducted for none compliance! We know how these weasels work so wouldn’t put it past them to do it!

Yes, the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) allow for points deductions as a potential sanction for clubs that breach the rules, including cases where a club fails to cooperate significantly. Under PSR, clubs must adhere to financial limits, with a maximum allowable loss of £105 million over a three-year period (or £35 million per season, adjusted for certain exemptions like infrastructure, youth development, and women’s football). If a club exceeds this threshold or fails to comply with the Premier League’s financial monitoring requirements, it can be referred to an independent commission for disciplinary action.

The sanctions for breaching PSR, as outlined in the rules, can include:
- **Unlimited fines**
- **Points deductions**
- **Match replays**
- **Expulsion from the Premier League**
- Or any other sanction the independent commission deems appropriate.

While the rules don’t explicitly state that non-cooperation alone leads to a points deduction, a lack of cooperation—such as failing to provide accurate financial information or obstructing the investigation process—can aggravate the breach. This may influence the severity of the penalty, as the commission considers factors like the extent of the breach, mitigating circumstances, and the club’s level of cooperation. For example, Everton and Nottingham Forest faced points deductions (six and four points, respectively, in the 2023/24 season) for PSR breaches, with their cooperation or lack thereof factored into the final sanction. Everton’s initial 10-point deduction was reduced to six on appeal, partly due to arguments about the proportionality of the penalty and their cooperation.[](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13041990/premier-league-financial-fair-play-rules-explained-what-restrictions-are-there-on-clubs-spending-what-they-want)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

If a club’s non-cooperation is deemed "on a major scale," it could lead to harsher penalties, as the commission has broad discretion to impose sanctions based on the specifics of the case, including failure to adhere to requirements like submitting accurate accounts or providing future financial projections. However, the exact outcome depends on the independent commission’s judgment, and non-cooperation would likely be one of several factors considered.[](https://www.brabners.com/insights/sport/navigating-the-premier-leagues-profit-and-sustainability-rules-new-loopholes-explained)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

For further details, you can refer to the Premier League’s official rules or statements on PSR enforcement, such as those available on their website or through legal analyses like those from Brabners or Kennedys Law. If you want me to dig deeper into specific cases or rule clauses, let me know[](https://kennedyslaw.com/en/thought-leadership/article/2025/goodbye-psr-a-look-at-the-new-financial-control-systems-being-trialled-by-the-premier-league-from-202425/)

So how did the rags get away with losing 257m over the last 3 years ? also the prem allowed 40m covid allowance whereas UEFA didnt , make it make sense

 

[give it to gordon]

So how did the rags get away with losing 257m over the last 3 years ? also the prem allowed 40m covid allowance whereas UEFA didnt , make it make sense

Rags use the Red Football Ltd books not mufc books for the pl

 

[gocity]

How much do we think Sheik Mansour Etihad will up their sponsorship ?

Behave

 

[Legalamb777]

Nobody knows anything, really, do they?

But I don't want to open that one up again .....

I know one thing,the suspense is fucking pissing me off

 

[mattcity5]

exactly. Its like PL saying City shot the dog and should return the gun to the deposit. City is saying we did not and thus we cant deliver the gun to You, which we have never possesed. And PL charges us with the dog murder and not cooperation to bring the gun to them

Well that's a 116th charge I didn't see coming...

 

[Legalamb777]

I wonder why city don’t do a Chelsea/Villa/Everton and sell their woman’s team to themselves whilst that loophole is STILL open?

 

[CC1]

I wonder why city don’t do a Chelsea/Villa/Everton and sell their woman’s team to themselves whilst that loophole is STILL open?

Yep. It will soon be shut!! Mind you, it kind of lets the team down - isolates them. We tend to have a sense of “togetherness “ I’d hate to lose

 

[Ric]

I wonder why city don’t do a Chelsea/Villa/Everton and sell their woman’s team to themselves whilst that loophole is STILL open?

We don't really have any PSR concerns at the moment, so there wouldn't be any great benefit to doing it now I guess.

 

[Norbiton]

I wonder why city don’t do a Chelsea/Villa/Everton and sell their woman’s team to themselves whilst that loophole is STILL open?

Why would we need to?

 

[KS55]

I wonder why city don’t do a Chelsea/Villa/Everton and sell their woman’s team to themselves whilst that loophole is STILL open?

City don’t own the women’s team as I understand it. It’s CFG, I think.
Can anyone confirm?

 

[halfcenturyup]

In its grok and I was curious because I thought I heard that points could be deducted for none compliance! We know how these weasels work so wouldn’t put it past them to do it!

Yes, the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) allow for points deductions as a potential sanction for clubs that breach the rules, including cases where a club fails to cooperate significantly. Under PSR, clubs must adhere to financial limits, with a maximum allowable loss of £105 million over a three-year period (or £35 million per season, adjusted for certain exemptions like infrastructure, youth development, and women’s football). If a club exceeds this threshold or fails to comply with the Premier League’s financial monitoring requirements, it can be referred to an independent commission for disciplinary action.

The sanctions for breaching PSR, as outlined in the rules, can include:
- **Unlimited fines**
- **Points deductions**
- **Match replays**
- **Expulsion from the Premier League**
- Or any other sanction the independent commission deems appropriate.

While the rules don’t explicitly state that non-cooperation alone leads to a points deduction, a lack of cooperation—such as failing to provide accurate financial information or obstructing the investigation process—can aggravate the breach. This may influence the severity of the penalty, as the commission considers factors like the extent of the breach, mitigating circumstances, and the club’s level of cooperation. For example, Everton and Nottingham Forest faced points deductions (six and four points, respectively, in the 2023/24 season) for PSR breaches, with their cooperation or lack thereof factored into the final sanction. Everton’s initial 10-point deduction was reduced to six on appeal, partly due to arguments about the proportionality of the penalty and their cooperation.[](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13041990/premier-league-financial-fair-play-rules-explained-what-restrictions-are-there-on-clubs-spending-what-they-want)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

If a club’s non-cooperation is deemed "on a major scale," it could lead to harsher penalties, as the commission has broad discretion to impose sanctions based on the specifics of the case, including failure to adhere to requirements like submitting accurate accounts or providing future financial projections. However, the exact outcome depends on the independent commission’s judgment, and non-cooperation would likely be one of several factors considered.[](https://www.brabners.com/insights/sport/navigating-the-premier-leagues-profit-and-sustainability-rules-new-loopholes-explained)[](https://secretariat-intl.com/insights/a-reflection-on-the-2023-24-psr-cases/)

For further details, you can refer to the Premier League’s official rules or statements on PSR enforcement, such as those available on their website or through legal analyses like those from Brabners or Kennedys Law. If you want me to dig deeper into specific cases or rule clauses, let me know[](https://kennedyslaw.com/en/thought-leadership/article/2025/goodbye-psr-a-look-at-the-new-financial-control-systems-being-trialled-by-the-premier-league-from-202425/)

Not sure that makes much sense. I prefer to rely on the judgement of actual lawyers and previous cases.

But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a small points deduction (on one of the minor issues like the Touré payments, for example) and a fine on non-compliance.

Not sure the process is that far, though. Is anyone really sure of anything?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

City don’t own the women’s team as I understand it. It’s CFG, I think.
Can anyone confirm?

Correct. The immediate parent is City Football Group (Midco) Limited and the ultimate controlling party is CFG.