It's Quiet the £250m return

SWP's back said:
Anyone that’s not aware he clearly has favourites is a fuck nugget.
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What does having favourites mean here: e g., being unable to see the weaknesses of the said players and starting them over more deserving players, or being able to see they are not good enough in comparison but lacking the will to bench them?

Apparently, "Pep has favourites" means something like: I don't understand why he plays X and Y, must be because they are favourites. Well, maybe fans don't understand because they are not supposed to understand everything.

I don't understand Pep sometimes. I remember being bewildered by Pep's starting XI vs Chelsea in 18/19. Thought it was deeply wrong. We won 6:0.
 
Decisions on who goes could well simply be down to negotiations with the clubs who have expressed interest. For example, if the club have decided to move on Kovacic OR Gundogan, then which buying club is agreeing to both our and the players' terms. Same with Stones/Ake/Ajanji and also McAtee.
There can be a group of players potentially going, but who goes depends on the deals struck.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
If the above is correct, somebody very high up in the hierarchy has to get to grips with the problem pronto.

And imo Soriano should not have been discussing the issue with supporters - a very poor decision imo.

Especially as you are repeating the story on here in order to prove your assertions perhaps ?


This is a multi-million business in which conflicts over player signings can have serious financial implications not forgetting the harmony with the structure.
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I don't think it's too big a deal at this point, but there is clearly a risk that something comes out at some point that really shouldn't. Not very clever from them.
 
alexmcity said:
I don't understand Pep sometimes. I remember being bewildered by Pep's starting XI vs Chelsea in 18/19. Thought it was deeply wrong. We won 6:0.
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We won that game because Kun missed a sitter and he became angry.. a man possessed.

He single handedly won the game in anger mode with his hat trick.
 
richards30 said:
Well it wasn’t after I posted after the Bournemouth game if you want to look back mate? Peps outburst about leaving if the club made him have a certain squad didn not go down well at all and is press conference before the Fulham game he said he was joking as khaldoon had stepped in and that is fact! I don’t say too much about my family life/job etc after advice many years ago not to see it on here but when we come from the Isle of Man for games at least 4 of us are in the chairman’s lounge and once the drinks start flowing the directors talk etc. Pep was not happy with Viana wanting to get rid of some of his trusted players this summer and it was a topic of heated debate about the team selections at times at the end of last season as Txiki and Pep are so close he didn’t have to communicate too much as his word was gospel. Viana has no emotional connection to these players and as I posted was shocked at the state of things, the main one being the derby against the rags at Old Trafford where the game was just a fucking mess as was the formation and team selection. Once the beer starts flowing, loose lips etc happen and there is still some conflict between Pep and Viana but the incomings Pep is happy with but wants to keep his guys hence making Bernardo the main captain. Believe it not and unfortunately I don’t know how to go back to dates on posts on here but my brother was talking to Soriano and I posted straight after the Bournemouth game that there was problems between Hugo and Pep and it was a huge talking point in the boardroom.
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Pep f#cks off if that is true.
 
argyle said:
Well this doesn't sound too good. Did they say who his trusted players were that Viana wanted out? I'm guessing Bernardo and Gundogan?
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Doubt they are the only one with the 2 CB we bought. Can see 2 of ake/ Akanji and Stones - hence why the Livramento and MGW talks to even the HG number out.
The United game was an absolute mess that’s true. Horrible formation. Probably the worst I’ve seen beside the Southampton game where akanji started for absolutely no reason
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
If the above is correct, somebody very high up in the hierarchy has to get to grips with the problem pronto.

And imo Soriano should not have been discussing the issue with supporters - a very poor decision imo.

Especially as you are repeating the story on here in order to prove your assertions perhaps ?


This is a multi-million business in which conflicts over player signings can have serious financial implications not forgetting the harmony with the structure.
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Its not mainly supporters in there though? It was a kinda off the cuff comment that from what was relayed to me from our kid was that the squad needed a kick in the arse after waxing lyical about Marmoushs goal and the general conversation about the squad and the age and it was a flippant type of comment about Hugo having to deal with Pep and him not wanting to lose Bernardo, Gundo, Stones etc
 
alexmcity said:
What does having favourites mean here: e g., being unable to see the weaknesses of the said players and starting them over more deserving players, or being able to see they are not good enough in comparison but lacking the will to bench them?

Apparently, "Pep has favourites" means something like: I don't understand why he plays X and Y, must be because they are favourites. Well, maybe fans don't understand because they are not supposed to understand everything.

I don't understand Pep sometimes. I remember being bewildered by Pep's starting XI vs Chelsea in 18/19. Thought it was deeply wrong. We won 6:0.
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I’ve asked before but never had an answer, when they say favourites I’m guessing it’s Bernardo, Gundogan KDB maybe Kovacic but he’s not been here that long,and Akanji.
I asked who else could he have played in midfield last season that would have made us much better Foden who was way off form and McAtee. who never really looked the part when he played was about it.
Okay they Bernardo and Gundogan got games in the CWC as did everyone else but Stones, but doesn’t look like we are trying to keep him. He. May have players that he trusts and maybe is reluctant to tell them their time is up but I don’t think he ever picks a player just because of what they’ve done knowing it is detrimental to the team, he will always believe the team he puts out is the get team to get a result, won’t always be right but it won’t be because he’s doing favours.
 
richards30 said:
Its not mainly supporters in there though? It was a kinda off the cuff comment that from what was relayed to me from our kid was that the squad needed a kick in the arse after waxing lyical about Marmoushs goal and the general conversation about the squad and the age and it was a flippant type of comment about Hugo having to deal with Pep and him not wanting to lose Bernardo, Gundo, Stones etc
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I wonder if the truth lies a little bit in the middle?

I wonder if he is okay with losing them, if we are bringing in top-level replacements, but the problem is, Hugo wants to replace them with high-potential projects?
 
argyle said:
Well this doesn't sound too good. Did they say who his trusted players were that Viana wanted out? I'm guessing Bernardo and Gundogan?
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Just posted mate, it was about the squad needing that revamp after a huge result for us against Bournemouth so maybe the wine was flowing a bit much and everyone buzzing about Marmoush in general and his goal and saying it was needed to rejig the squad and Ferran basically saying easier said than done with some players as Pep loved them after the success we had had over the years and the initial conversations were a bit frosty about the outgoings.
 
Lkzerinho said:
I wonder if the truth lies a little bit in the middle?

I wonder if he is okay with losing them, if we are bringing in top-level replacements, but the problem is, Hugo wants to replace them with high-potential projects?
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There could be truth in that mate yeah.
 
argyle said:
Well this doesn't sound too good. Did they say who his trusted players were that Viana wanted out? I'm guessing Bernardo and Gundogan?
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I'm going to take a guess it's those and possibly Stones. I've followed Viana since we announced him as our new Director of football, one thing that stuck out, was that at Sporting when he came in a few older players were on high wages they were kicked out the door in one summer. Also a few sporting accounts said he likes to have a low wage bill as it doesn't cause problems when selling in the future.

That was at Sporting no idea if he's trying to do that here. If he is Gundo, Bernardo, Stones are on high wages. So would make sense that he'd want them gone and new young players in on lower wages like a Khusanov.

His vision at Sporting , was smart strategic signings.prioritizes finding players who are a good fit for the club, both in terms of talent and cost
 
richards30 said:
There could be truth in that mate yeah.
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This could also explain why both Nicos are making some noise about potentially leaving.

If the club is about to undergo an entire Midfield rebuild and spend more money on young players, they could see the path to regular first-team football become too arduous and feel they would be better served going elsewhere.
 
richards30 said:
Its not mainly supporters in there though? It was a kinda off the cuff comment that from what was relayed to me from our kid was that the squad needed a kick in the arse after waxing lyical about Marmoushs goal and the general conversation about the squad and the age and it was a flippant type of comment about Hugo having to deal with Pep and him not wanting to lose Bernardo, Gundo, Stones etc
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So there was disageement about who stays and who goes may well have been in fact I expect there was, and with Txiki too between any manager and a DOF. Except you said a battle to keep it civil. Thats what I doubt I think it was much more likely a grown up discussion that is probably still happening between Pep and his coaches, between Pep and Viana probably Soriano and Khaldoon too. Of course there will be argument and give and take doesn’t mean it isn’t respectful, it was Pep that said he can’t have players that can’t play every 3 days, not Viana or anyone else, so he knows who those players are.
 
blueparrot said:
I don’t think he ever picks a player just because of what they’ve done knowing it is detrimental to the team, he will always believe the team he puts out is the get team to get a result, won’t always be right but it won’t be because he’s doing favours.
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Spot on.

The best managers tend to be ruthless. You don't achieve much in football, let alone become the very best, by having favourites, meaning playing them over better and more deserving players. Pep is the most proven winner amongst the managers.

Of course, one may argue that Pep is too atached to some players to the extent that he is blind about the downsides of starting them. In other words, he is a bit detached from reality and isn't a top manager anymore. The next two seasons will tell us more about this. I doubt it is true, though. I'd be surprised if we aren't really good next season. Let's see what happens.
 
Whenever I have stated Pep's favourites, I've always used it in the sense of those he implicitly trusts to understand what he wants to happen on the pitch eg, Bernardo, Gundogan, Kovacic, KDB. The problem arising that they weren't always physically capable of enacting it - or that he was willing to overlook their physical deficiencies in favour of the benefit of having mini Peps on the pitch.
 
blueparrot said:
So there was disageement about who stays and who goes may well have been in fact I expect there was, and with Txiki too between any manager and a DOF. Except you said a battle to keep it civil. Thats what I doubt I think it was much more likely a grown up discussion that is probably still happening between Pep and his coaches, between Pep and Viana probably Soriano and Khaldoon too. Of course there will be argument and give and take doesn’t mean it isn’t respectful, it was Pep that said he can’t have players that can’t play every 3 days, not Viana or anyone else, so he knows who those players are.
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Well look at Pepsi reaction after the game when he just blurted out if he was made to have more players he would leave? Pep was used to Txiki so I assume being more directly informed what Hugo was planning is different to what the conversation would be between friends like they were? Remember that when Gundo was on the outskirts of Barca he phoned Pep to see the chances of returning rather than the club? But at that time, Pep wasn’t happy at all
 
richards30 said:
Well look at Pepsi reaction after the game when he just blurted out if he was made to have more players he would leave? Pep was used to Txiki so I assume being more directly informed what Hugo was planning is different to what the conversation would be between friends like they were? Remember that when Gundo was on the outskirts of Barca he phoned Pep to see the chances of returning rather than the club? But at that time, Pep wasn’t happy at all
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That was because at the end of the season when the injuries cleared and the new 5 players were there he had too many players and had to leave some sat at home. He clearly doesn’t like. That and I agree with him, we need to sell players and get down to about 24 players, I doubt Viana or anyone disagrees with that , might disagree which players to loan or sell but not final numbers.
 
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