That's a bit overly paranoid of you, don't you think?You don’t understand democratic values and clearly don’t support them. As someone posted earlier “and they wonder how the holocaust was possible”
It is not about PA per se. They’ll come for someone else next. This is supposed to be a LABOUR gov, god help us.
You have to nip anti democratic nonsense in the bud, or it spreads.
I wouldn’t trust you with a barm/muffin/breadcake,That's a bit overly paranoid of you, don't you think?
You *need* an enemy to fear. That's the difference. Stop listening to what the news tells you you should fear every day, you live a much happier life, trust me.
Do you speak English? I can’t understand this.
Sorry, that was nonsense. I deleted it straghtaway and substituted the post immediately above. You’ll like that! (ish).Seriously? I'm disappointed.
I changed it because it was stupid and not a real response. It’s called changing your mind. I did and do apologise.Nah nah nah, that's not what you put the first time, why change it? Embarrassed?
You’ve already had two. Do you want jam on it?I'd prefer an apology but i'll be waiting a long time I feel.
Cool man. I'll delete the following responses.I changed it because it was stupid and not a real response. It’s called changing your mind. I did and do apologise.
Neither would I, to be honest.I wouldn’t trust you with a barm/muffin/breadcake,
Yep. I try to argue robustly but without rancour. Not always successful.Cool man. I'd delete the following responses.
For what it's worth, sorry if I agitated you. It's an emotive topic, we don't agree. Fairs fair.
It was about a few authoritarian types, yes including you. But anyway, for someone who wants a proper debate rather than 'insults and slurs,' you're being awfully slow with this evidence that Palestine Action supported Hamas. What's the delay?You're going to be disingenuous to suggest it wasn't?
It was about a few authoritarian types, yes including you. But anyway, for someone who wants a proper debate rather than 'insults and slurs,' you're being awfully slow with this evidence that Palestine Action supported Hamas. What's the delay?
Or just speaking to them on the marches they do helps. Not everything can be copy and pasted to Bluemoon for you to scrutinise.The fact their members have said so once interviewed by Police might be a good start.
I don't really want a "happy life" while this is going on. What are you doing about it?That's a bit overly paranoid of you, don't you think?
You *need* an enemy to fear. That's the difference. Stop listening to what the news tells you you should fear every day, you live a much happier life, trust me.
Let me show you my feelings on it and where i'm coming from using a relatable analogy.@Metal Biker. There is something I need to make clear. I am angry about the prescription of PA on behalf of democratic values, not on behalf of PA.
PA, like all these groups always suffer mission creep leading to action creep. They do break the law regularly but not in the way that the gov suggested ie terrorist action, except for the Brize Norton business. At that time I posted that that was stupid.
I believe the rule of law is the sine qua non of democracy and thus I have no love for PA. BUT the gov too must ensure that they do not mess with the rule of law and I think they have done so with the order against PA . As several distinguished lawyers have said, they are conflating protest with terror. As the gov is charged with trusteeship of the law, their sin is much the greater and longer lasting. The UN has said as much.
So, up the rule of law and down with ignoring it or messing with it. I don’t think I’ve committed an offence there, but you never know.
PA were a direct action group they did NO marches. Why are you still peddling this nonsense?Or just speaking to them on the marches they do helps. Not everything can be copy and pasted to Bluemoon for you to scrutinise.
You've just proved the point they were an active group that used violence and intimidation to propose their stance and have been subsequently banned for it. And anyone showing support of it publicly is now supporting a banned group.PA were a direct action they did NO marches. Why are you still peddling this nonsense?
But MCFC is a terror organisation. We have terrorised Dippers, Rags, Tarquins et al. Even the PL is scared of us.Let me show you my feelings on it and where i'm coming from using a relatable analogy.
Let's say the Government proscribed MCFC to be a terror organisation and anyone associating with the club would be subject to arrest.
Would I stop supporting MCFC? Yes. Why? Because I would now know that doing so would get me arrested and possibly charged. Would I AGREE with the decision? No, and i'd go through and support all legal challenges to get the decision overturned. But I still wouldn't publicly support them knowing the Government has decreed association of it to be illegal. It's simply not worth it.
Continuing to then do so, then getting arrested for it, and wondering why you're being arrested, is not something I can say didn't deserve to happen. I'm not supportive of the decision, but I don't support those who say they don't understand why they are being arrested. We know why! Remember being arrested is and of itself not a crime, only when you get charged with an offence. It's not up to us to pick and choose which laws we follow that the Government and Parliament decides.
The members of PA who went too far commiting offences in Newcastle, Glasgow and other criminal acts of violence and intimidation have tarnished the entire group to the point the Government has acted. There's nothing stopping any of the people currently in PA from breaking away, forming a new group called 'Justice for Palestine' and continuing their protests. Why they continue to latch onto PA to do it, and represent them is baffling...unless there's some other underhanded reason afoot. (i.e. using the profile of PA to raise and send money to Hamas, but i'm just speculating there..)
Oh, so we'll just take your word for it, will we? Where are the credible reports that Palestine Action members claimed to support Hamas in police interviews? Were you in the interviews? And supporting Hamas is already a terrorism offence, so there would be no need to introduce new legislation to ban Palestine Action if their offence is supporting another group that is already proscribed.Or just speaking to them on the marches they do helps. Not everything can be copy and pasted to Bluemoon for you to scrutinise.
The bit that they weren't banned for that you keep claiming they were ....You've just proved the point they were an active group that used violence and intimidation to propose their stance and have been subsequently banned for it. And anyone showing support of it publicly is supporting a banned group.
You're going to be disingenuous to suggest it wasn't?