President Trump

Elbow beards said:
What I don't understand though, if these files are so toxic to Trump, why didn't the Dems release them when they were in power or were they quietly told not to by some very powerful people?
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Trump WANTED them to release the files, it's a game of chess. If they had done that, he would have said its a witch hunt, the country would go up in flames and the court would throw it out, they didn't touch it because they knew it would be exposed by Trumps OWN administration. It's like the art of war " Never interrupt your enemy when he's making an error", in desperately trying to hide his involvement in all of this, Trump has mistakenly hit the self destruction button. The dems would just put their hands up and say "Hey, this came from his own administration, we had nothing to do with it"
 
Apologies for the long write up, with everything happening in regards to the Trumpstein situation, Especially the questions about "If the democrats had all of this on him then why didn't they just release it", So I thought I would post this here.

People underestimate how smart (not intelligent) Trump is. His type of brilliance is very streamlined. He isn’t "intelligent" when it comes to politics, business, economics, or even leadership. However, he is very smart when it comes to being a survivalist ( think Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.)

Trump knew his involvement in all of this was bound to come out eventually, regardless of if he had an amicable relationship across the political divide (Democrats and Republicans). If he had maintained a good relationship with both sides and this scandal surfaced, the Democrats would certainly have pushed for punishment. The old Republican Party, the one that prided itself on “family values” and Christian doctrines would likely have supported those calls as well. If that had happened, Trump wouldn't have been able to claim he was being “victimized.” After all, these people had a good relationship with him, so why would they suddenly turn on an ally? Maintaining peace in this case had no upside for him, So he decided to rebrand.

He needed to create an “us vs. them” narrative, and he found cracks within the Republican Party that he could exploit. Before the entire MAGA movement took shape, Republicans already had a reputation for hypocrisy. The old Republicans (from the '90s to early 2000s), in an effort to suppress this reputation, tried hard to avoid being seen as these things while the growing, younger faction (particularly from the south) asked, “So what if we are associated with these things?”

The old Republicans made a show of being devout Christians and claimed they were open to accepting all; the growing faction claimed Christ was white. The old Republicans tried to win votes across the board; the newer ones coined phrases like “we are the silent majority,” implying they didn’t need Democrats or minorities to win, politically both sides couldn't see eye to eye (or at least they put that act up in public) And then unspeakable happened, Obama was elected. For once the fractured Republican party spoke with a one voice: what the fuck just happened? blames were thrown across both sides but the old school "rational" republicans took most of the blame.

All of this was the perfect opportunity for Trump to swoop in and manipulate both sides of the fractured party with his hateful rhetoric (starting with the "Obama birth certificate" thing) and grand promises of returning to the “good old days.” Ironically, before becoming a Republican, Trump embodied everything that ran counter to traditional conservative values : teenage beauty pageants, girls in revealing outfits, multiple marriages, fraud allegations, interviews filled with sexual innuendos and funding tv shows and films that mocked Christian zealots and family values. But he had to rebrand, So once he made his move, he brilliantly split the Republican Party into two camps by promoting two ideas: “MAGA” and “RINO.”

The term RINO (Republican In Name Only) had existed for a long time, but traditionally, the opposite of a RINO was just the old school Republican (family values, anti LGBTQ, Christianity and all that hypocrisy) clearly this wasn’t enough for Trump, he needed more wriggle room and more radical ideas. His MAGA ideology gave him that room. He positioned MAGA as the true opposite of RINO and then pushed everything that didn’t align with MAGA under the RINO label, or out of the party altogether. Now, if you disagree with MAGA, you're immediately ostracized as a RINO. He left no room for middle ground. And the fear of being labelled a RINO forced people to fall in line and become MAGA foot soldiers. Ironically to the old school republicans, Trump would have been a RINO, he hijacked that word and used it AGAINST them!

Remember when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and still keep MAGA’s support? You think he said that by mistake? He was testing the waters, gauging their loyalty, and indirectly preparing them for the possibility that disturbing information about him would eventually come out, and that they had better remain loyal. By getting he's supporters to cheer for this statement, He literally blackmailed his supporters into being indebted to him and the time has come to pay that debt.

MAGA dragged the Republican Party into the mud. It stripped away any decency or shame. Now you have Republicans in high-ranking positions saying things like:

  • If a woman was sexually assaulted and got pregnant, it’s because “her body allowed it.” (Republican Congressman Todd Akin in 2012.)
  • Slavery was “more of a skills exchange program.” (Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida in July 2023)
  • Republicans should start using the Nazi word the way rappers use the N-word. (Fox news host, Greg Gutfeld, sometime last week made this comment on air, saying things like "What Up, My Nazi!")
  • Numerous congressmen and women making distatesful comments and posts about Gaza (Randy Fine posted "#StarveAway" in response to a post regarding the starvation of Gaza's civilian population (including women and children), US Congressman Andy Ogles stirred outrage with Gaza comment ‘Kill them all’ and congresswoman Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many dead Palestinians will be enough?’ )
  • The phrase alternative fact was also coined by MAGA and has been used to contradict even the most glaring truth.

You also have new-age overnight republican podcasters like Andre Tate, Fuentes and Alex Jones saying Republicans who support the civil rights and women rights are "cuckservatives" who fantasize about their wives being with minorities and when these rational republicans AKA "cuckservatives" try to defend themselves as true republicans, they are asked one question: "well prove it, why aren't you MAGA?". The party in its current state leaves no room for a middle ground.

When you remove shame from the equation, there's no telling what people will support , especially when they no longer have an image to protect. This Epstein case is Trump nudging the Republican Party toward the final leap of loyalty, The world is watching and if or rather, when the party collectively says, “Yeah, he did those things, but so what?”, he will have succeeded in creating a fully functioning, armed cult backed by the constitution, and he will have attained godlike status. As a failproof for the day when this situation comes up, He had to get some kind of immunity, no better way to do that than to push for the position of president. It wasn't enough for him to create MAGA, he had to BE it. As it stands, if you are MAGA and you support the calls for Trump to be indicted then you are indirectly indicting yourself and everything you stand for, so the only card you have is to play up the alternative truth card that he didn't do these things or just keep your head up and ask "He did it, So what?"


He blackmailed his supporters and they still can't see it. The man is a genius...for all the wrong reasons.
 
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Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Apologies for the long write up, with everything happening in regards to the Trumpstein situation, Especially the questions about "If the democrats had all of this on him then why didn't they just release it", So I thought I would post this here.

People underestimate how smart (not intelligent) Trump is. His type of brilliance is very streamlined. He isn’t "intelligent" when it comes to politics, business, economics, or even leadership. However, he is very smart when it comes to being a survivalist ( think Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.)

Trump knew his involvement in all of this was bound to come out eventually, regardless of if he had an amicable relationship across the political divide (Democrats and Republicans). If he had maintained a good relationship with both sides and this scandal surfaced, the Democrats would certainly have pushed for punishment. The old Republican Party, the one that prided itself on “family values” and Christian doctrines would likely have supported those calls as well. If that had happened, Trump wouldn't have been able to claim he was being “victimized.” After all, these people had a good relationship with him, so why would they suddenly turn on an ally? Maintaining peace in this case had no upside for him, So he decided to rebrand.

He needed to create an “us vs. them” narrative, and he found cracks within the Republican Party that he could exploit. Before the entire MAGA movement took shape, Republicans already had a reputation for hypocrisy. The old Republicans (from the '90s to early 2000s), in an effort to suppress this reputation, tried hard to avoid being seen as these things while the growing, younger faction (particularly from the south) asked, “So what if we are associated with these things?”

The old Republicans made a show of being devout Christians and claimed they were open to accepting all; the growing faction claimed Christ was white. The old Republicans tried to win votes across the board; the newer ones coined phrases like “we are the silent majority,” implying they didn’t need Democrats or minorities to win, politically both sides couldn't see eye to eye (or at least they put that act up in public) And then unspeakable happened, Obama was elected. For once the fractured Republican party spoke with a one voice: what the fuck just happened? blames were thrown across both sides but the old school "rational" republicans took most of the blame.

All of this was the perfect opportunity for Trump to swoop in and manipulate both sides of the fractured party with his hateful rhetoric (starting with the "Obama birth certificate" thing) and grand promises of returning to the “good old days.” Ironically, before becoming a Republican, Trump embodied everything that ran counter to traditional conservative values : teenage beauty pageants, girls in revealing outfits, multiple marriages, fraud allegations, interviews filled with sexual innuendos and funding tv shows and films that mocked Christian zealots and family values. But he had to rebrand, So once he made his move, he brilliantly split the Republican Party into two camps by promoting two ideas: “MAGA” and “RINO.”

The term RINO (Republican In Name Only) had existed for a long time, but traditionally, the opposite of a RINO was just the old school Republican (family values, anti LGBTQ, Christianity and all that hypocrisy) clearly this wasn’t enough for Trump, he needed more wriggle room and more radical ideas. His MAGA ideology gave him that room. He positioned MAGA as the true opposite of RINO and then pushed everything that didn’t align with MAGA under the RINO label, or out of the party altogether. Now, if you disagree with MAGA, you're immediately ostracized as a RINO. He left no room for middle ground. And the fear of being labelled a RINO forced people to fall in line and become MAGA foot soldiers. Ironically to the old school republicans, Trump would have been a RINO, he hijacked that word and used it AGAINST them!

Remember when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and still keep MAGA’s support? You think he said that by mistake? He was testing the waters, gauging their loyalty, and indirectly preparing them for the possibility that disturbing information about him would eventually come out, and that they had better remain loyal. By getting he's supporters to cheer for this statement, He literally blackmailed his supporters into being indebted to him and the time has come to pay that debt.

MAGA dragged the Republican Party into the mud. It stripped away any decency or shame. Now you have Republicans in high-ranking positions saying things like:

  • If a woman was sexually assaulted and got pregnant, it’s because “her body allowed it.” (Republican Congressman Todd Akin in 2012.)
  • Slavery was “more of a skills exchange program.” (Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida in July 2023)
  • Republicans should start using the Nazi word the way rappers use the N-word. (Fox news host, Greg Gutfeld, sometime last week made this comment on air, saying things like "What Up, My Nazi!")
  • Numerous congressmen and women making distatesful comments and posts about Gaza (Randy Fine posted "#StarveAway" in response to a post regarding the starvation of Gaza's civilian population (including women and children), US Congressman Andy Ogles stirred outrage with Gaza comment ‘Kill them all’ and congresswoman Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many dead Palestinians will be enough?’ )
  • The phrase alternative fact was also coined by MAGA and has been used to contradict even the most glaring truth.

You also have new-age overnight republican podcasters like Andre Tate, Fuentes and Alex Jones saying Republicans who support the civil rights and women rights are "cuckservatives" who fantasize about their wives being with minorities and when these rational republicans AKA "cuckservatives" try to defend themselves as true republicans, they are asked one question: "well prove it, why aren't you MAGA?". The party in its current state leaves no room for a middle ground.

When you remove shame from the equation, there's no telling what people will support , especially when they no longer have an image to protect. This Epstein case is Trump nudging the Republican Party toward the final leap of loyalty, The world is watching and if or rather, when the party collectively says, “Yeah, he did those things, but so what?”, he will have succeeded in creating a fully functioning, armed cult backed by the constitution, and he will have attained godlike status. As a failproof for the day when this situation comes up, He had to get some kind of immunity, no better way to do that than to push for the position of president. It wasn't enough for him to create MAGA, he had to BE it. As it stands, if you are MAGA and you support the calls for Trump to be indicted then you are indirectly indicting yourself and everything you stand for, so the only card you have is to play up the alternative truth card that he didn't do these things or just keep your head up and ask "He did it, So what?"


He blackmailed his supporters and they still can't see it. The man is a genius...for all the wrong reasons.
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Well, it works until it doesn’t and at some point it will stop working, usually when the pain of his actions is greater than the comfort from his lies.

Medicare, social security, food stamp cuts hurt a lot of his base and while they enjoy the pain of others ‘getting what they deserve’, you can’t enjoy that pain if you also experience the same pain.

The Trump base hate the billionaire class, too. Trump got a pass because he wasn’t one of them, but ‘one of us’. It was nonsense, but that lie to themselves gave them comfort and they enjoyed the pain he vowed to inflict on others - immigrants, Govt workers, etc. The tax bill exposed that illusion. The GOP needed Trump to con the marks, and the marks didn’t know they were the marks until it started to hurt.

And then there are the voters who voted Trump, but don’t want this chaos or thought it would just be criminals being mass deported and not Uncle Diego or would bring peace to the world or basically people too stupid to see the fucking obvious until it smacks them over the head.

You can get away with all this shit for a while, but at some point it crosses a line and starts to unravel. It always does.
 
East Level 2 said:
100% is $100 so 1000% is $1,000. So by my calculations you get $900 along with the drugs.
He's as thick as pig-shit and so are those who vote for him. Is nobody asking Republicans in Senate or Congress how they can tolerate such a moron being POTUS?
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It's a pity that they don't have an equivalent of PMQ every week.
 
Elbow beards said:
What I don't understand though, if these files are so toxic to Trump, why didn't the Dems release them when they were in power or were they quietly told not to by some very powerful people?
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IF I understand the state-of-play, thanks to Trump, and no-one else, if Obama is behind the hoax / fake material all the way back to 2015/6, and the material in part trashes Trump as part of a continuing transaction to rig / cheat / steal elections plural 2016/2020/2024, why didn't Obama order a release? Biden was involved too says Trump. Why didn't Biden order a release? If they fabricated stuff over time to get Trump I guess they also continuously evaluated the situation and decided no time was right and they then left incriminating things so Trump would find them with a little digging.

According to Trump they've got Obama red-handed, slam-dunk and so on there is no question of innocence. Obama has been caught shooting someone in the middle of 5th Avenue...

Really makes me wonder why master criminal Obama - Harvard-trained lawyer - would leave incriminating evidence.
 
BobKowalski said:
The Trump base hate the billionaire class
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And yet, some enjoy having what they see as an 'association' with him. They honestly think he considers them to be mates.

On one occasion, I couldn't resist pointing out one of his thickisms on Truth Social - the only response was along the lines of 'if you're so clever - how many jets do you own?'
 
Vic said:
That's not a smoking gun. Wouldn't he have said the same if the question was just about what he alone had done in the presence of under 18s?
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In building a case against Trump, this is just one item of many, and many firsts. Objection, calls for speculation. We don't know what Epstein would have done if, but we do know what he did do when, and the did do when does not exculpate Trump.

Don't forget, you can't unring the bell.

re the video: The point I want to make, is that the President of The United States was a long-term friend, neighbor, and associate of a man who somehow financed, organized, and led a multi-year criminal conspiracy specifically a sex-trafficking ring targeting teenage girls for connected men, Epstein, a man who when questioned about teenage girls refused to answer. Donald Trump is famous for involving himself through various projects, organizations and schemes with teenage girls often in bathing suits and the like. There is also extent audio of Trump saying things which raise eyebrows, yes?

How many Prime Ministers, Chancellors, Presidents of any western power since 1776 have had friends and neighbors who led a sex trafficking ring, and when their friend was questioned about the victims and the involvement of Prime Minister etc refused to answer?

ZERO.

Poor Trump, he's just so unlucky with the people he hangs with, employs etc. Decades of bad luck. He's so unlucky he hires people who hire illegal aliens! Poor innocent Donald. Everyone in his orbit gets in shit one way or another. It's the stuff of legend. Nothing to do with Trump though, he's just unlucky & 100% innocent of all wrongdoing and always has been. January 6th yet another example, nothing to do with Trump, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Women by the score unable to control their deep urges around Trump thrust their pussy areas into his hands it's not him, it's them. Impeachments? Criminal convictions? Trials? Investigations? It's all a conspiracy against poor innocent wee Donnie Trump who just cannot help being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people.

Think of all the firsts with Trump, and none of them good, none of them. The jury (electorate) deserves a total run-down of Trump's life-time of poor luck. Am I right? He's just unlucky.
 
Hard to keep up isn't it? From yesterday.

www.mediaite.com

Tulsi Accusing Russia of Interfering in 2016 Election Goes Viral Amid Obama Conspiracy Allegations

Tulsi Gabbard’s September 2018 conversation with Joe Rogan about Russia’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election gained new life this week
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Context: this week Tulsi Gabbard has been publicly accusing former President Barack Obama of being behind some kind of “treasonous conspiracy”.

Oops: On Joe Rogan’s podcast in September 2018, Tulsi Gabbard acknowledged that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Rogan called it “amazing” that it took until 2016 for foreign election influence to become a major issue in the U.S.

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Here we go: Tulsi actually telling the truth back in 2018. Of course it was the truth. Is there any sentient American who doesn’t think Russia tries to influence all our elections? Really? But by all means arrest Obama for saying the same thing Tulsi did.

Here's Tulsi Gabbard ADMITTING in 2018 that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. The need to lie to stay in power in the Trump administration is incredible. How soft and weak is your ego that you'll lie and cheat to avoid losing your position.

Tulsi is an empty suit who only desires power for herself. She has no other values and certainly no morals to speak of. Anyone who takes her seriously is a mark.

Well, this is awkward in light of her recent bullshit allegation;

But... but... but... OBAMA! BIDEN! DEEP STATE! HOAX!

Now she says Obama orchestrated the whole Russian hoax.

People are noticing. The internet is forever.
 
East Level 2 said:
Charlie probably also thinks he's a **** but a state visit might help to get trade deal or reduced tariffs.
We need empty streets wherever he goes; nobody cheering him will dent his oversized ego. - But the numpties will turn out if Charlie is with him.
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Starmer will make sure anyone protesting will be arrested on behalf of President Mango Shitgibbon.
 
Elbow beards said:
What I don't understand though, if these files are so toxic to Trump, why didn't the Dems release them when they were in power or were they quietly told not to by some very powerful people?
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A questions anyone with half a brain should have asked. But don't bet on finding that here :)
 
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