Today's shooting in America thread

Suspect found dead. - From the BBC report:

After an hours-long barrage of gunfire, the suspect was found using mobile phone location information. It was unclear whether the suspect had killed himself or been hit by an officer, Norris said.

www.bbc.co.uk

Idaho shooting: Two firefighters dead in ambush, police say

The suspect has been found dead after the firefighters were killed with a high-powered weapon, authorities say.
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Bill Walker said:
Christ, what kind of a deluded fucking loon would shoot firemen firefighters ?
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Terrible, Dale Cregan did the same a few years ago to the female bobbies in Hattersley. My mate was in the police at the time and his garden was back to back with Cregan's brother's land, he was advised to move or get out of the Police, he did both.
 
Unbelievable. My old man was a fireman and he said they were targets now and then, especially bonfire night. This though, this is incomprehensible.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Unbelievable. My old man was a fireman and he said they were targets now and then, especially bonfire night. This though, this is incomprehensible.
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It certainly is. Good job Brits aren't armed. According to the last article in this post it seems that in America, firefighters greatest threat comes not from armed civilians, but from armed firefighters.

Does the U.K. have a problem with violence and harassment of nurses and doctors in a hospital-setting or just fire-fighters and paramedics, because you clearly have a problem. We see stories here sometimes about nurses being assaulted by so-called patients. What about the rest of Europe? Canada? Australia? New Zealand? I'd like to get to the bottom of all this. I'm interested in solutions to problems.

"...addiction and untreated mental illness are fueling many of the assaults."

Big picture: The U.S. Fire Administration reported 3,655 firefighter fatalities between 1990 and 2022. Of those, 10 firefighters died from assault by civilians.

USA - 2022 593 attacks reported, population 330,000,000.
U.K. 2021/2 983 attacks reported, population 70,000,000.

I wonder if we are using the exact same definitions of "attack", "assault" and so on. I have to assume we are. Then there is the problem of "reporting."

Rocks, bricks, Molotov cocktails, fists, feet, using a car as a weapon, fireworks, home-made "fireworks," knives, machetes, baseball bats, cricket bats, golf clubs, guns, potatoes with nails, paint, tasers, lasers, darts, coins...

A recent [ U.S.] study by Drexel University found that paramedic’s risk of being violently assaulted is 14 times greater than the firefighters they work alongside.

2025. U.K.

Attacks on firefighters are at their highest since records began – and Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service saw the worst attacks it has ever seen over the weekend.
According to the latest Home Office figures, almost one thousand firefighters were attacked while attending incidents.
Over the weekend crews in Tyne and Wear were called to a car fire which was a pile of rubbish which had been set alight. Firefighters were then barricaded in and shockingly attacked with petrol bombs, glass bottles and rubble. Police also came under attack when they arrived.
Between March 2021 and April 2022, 983 incidents were reported – which is an increase of five per cent on the previous year.
nfcc.org.uk

Attacks on firefighters are at their highest since records began - NFCC

nfcc.org.uk nfcc.org.uk
2025. U.K.
The law firm’s review of close on 40 Fire and Rescue Services has unearthed thousands of incidents where crew members have been physically attacked, verbally assailed, harassed, threatened or otherwise have had to endure items including missiles being thrown at them or their appliances.
Statistics published by the Home Office indicate that there were 96 injuries suffered from attacks during England-based operational incidents in 2023-2024. Not only does this represent a rise of more than 25% on the year before, but it’s also the highest figure recorded in any of the past 15 years and a 284% increase on the 25 cases noted in 2014-2015.
As previously referenced, Fire and Rescue Services across the UK have shared reports of missiles being thrown at firefighters, with objects including bricks, stones, eggs and fireworks all being used.
www.fsmatters.com

FSM MAGAZINE - Shocking data highlights extent of violence against firefighters

Fire & Security Matters (FSM), the independent voice for the fire, security and risk management sectors.
www.fsmatters.com www.fsmatters.com
Not seeing anything here that indicates death by shooting / being attacked by civilians.
www.usfa.fema.gov

Firefighter Fatalities in the United States

Annual reports and notifications of on-duty firefighter fatalities occurring from 1986 to the present.
www.usfa.fema.gov www.usfa.fema.gov
The FIRST Center at Drexel University tracks "media-covered" assaults on firefighters. In 2021, researchers scoured online reports of firefighters assaulted on duty and found 350 around the United States. A year later, in 2022, researchers found 593.
Jennifer Taylor, the center’s founding director, cautioned the I-Team the data only reports those assaults picked and reported by news organizations.
FEMA and the International Association of Firefighters help fund work at the FIRST Center solely studying firefighter injury and safety.
Taylor and her team at the FIRST Center are developing training programs to deal with the emerging threat.

“There's nothing that trains a paramedic or an EMS responder in a fire department that the work may become violent until now," she said.

Experts told the I-Team addiction and untreated mental illness are fueling many of the assaults. They occur not just on calls for health emergencies, but even sometimes responding to a burning home.

www.nbcwashington.com

‘They literally beat me for 2 minutes': Firefighters say assaults against them on the rise

D.C. firefighter Myisha Richards always considered herself one of “the good guys,” but as she continues to recover from a brutal assault, which she said came at the hands of a patient who called for help, she admitted, “I feel like a lot of things changed.” Richards and her partner were...
www.nbcwashington.com www.nbcwashington.com
This article seems to indicate that by far the greatest threat to the life and safety of firefighters in America is other firefighters losing their shit.
www.firerescue1.com

Firefighter violence: Prevention involves awareness, support and treatment options

Fire departments are not immune from workplace violence, so we must develop meaningful support and treatment systems
www.firerescue1.com www.firerescue1.com
 
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NYC, middle of Manhattan this hot Monday afternoon. Just walked by the scene. Hundreds of people with hands in the air being directed by police which way to go after some guy walked into an office building carrying a long gun in plain sight. Two shot inc. a police officer sadly dead.

Shooter killed himself.
 
AliBobbyJ said:
NYC, middle of Manhattan this hot Monday afternoon. Just walked by the scene. Hundreds of people with hands in the air being directed by police which way to go after some guy walked into an office building carrying a long gun in plain sight. Two shot inc. a police officer sadly dead.

Shooter killed himself.
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Ain’t life grand…
 
It's what they do in the USA.

Is anyone really that surprised?

There'll be many more in the future, and fuck all done to try and stop it.
 
idahoblues said:
Sadly it’s spreading, just saw one in Bangkok, eight killed
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One in Bangkok, hundreds in the USA every year.

No, it's not spreading, it's just isolated incidents that every country in the world suffers from now and again.

In the UK we've had two school shootings in our history, the first one was 150 years or so ago, and the last one was 30 years or so ago.
 
NPBlue said:
One in Bangkok, hundreds in the USA every year.

No, it's not spreading, it's just isolated incidents that every country in the world suffers from now and again.

In the UK we've had two school shootings in our history, the first one was 150 years or so ago, and the last one was 30 years or so ago.
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I still feel safer here, rednecks don’t have a chance against the Chavs
 
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