Online Safety Bill - Thoughts?

The bill is a good idea in theory, but the implementation has all sorts of implications for big brother intruding on people's day to day lives.
This piece probably sums up my issues.
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The UK Online Safety Bill: A Massive Threat to Online Privacy, Security, and Speech

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I make no statement of support, or not, for EFF, but the concerns listed are valid. I wanted an article that sums up most of my concerns and this fits the bill.

An online independent online Proof of Age validation service funded by the internet giants is kind of essential to implement any such legislation. It's not there.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
The bill is a good idea in theory, but the implementation has all sorts of implications for big brother intruding on people's day to day lives.
This piece probably sums up my issues.
www.eff.org

The UK Online Safety Bill: A Massive Threat to Online Privacy, Security, and Speech

Are you a young person fighting back against bad bills like this one? Become an EFF member at a new, discounted Neon membership level specifically for you--stickers included! Update, September 19, 2023: The U.K. Parliament has passed the Online Safety Bill (OSB), which says it will make the U.K...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
I make no statement of support, or not, for EFF, but the concerns listed are valid. I wanted an article that sums up most of my concerns and this fits the bill.

An online independent online Proof of Age validation service funded by the internet giants is kind of essential to implement any such legislation. It's not there.
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I'm even more concerned about requiring backdoors to end-to-end encryption. I'd forgotten or mentally parked that to be honest.

I also read an interesting piece earlier today regards accessing porn. The authors drew a very specific distinction between content producers, whose "customers" are used to paying for content, and on the other hand aggregators like Pornhub etc, where virtually no-one does. The latter represents the vast majority of porn being casually viewed, and approaching 100% amongst the under age group.

The authors suggested the reality is 90%+ of people will NOT verify in order to access those sites. They will either use a VPN, or if that is too challenging, they will simply go to a some other smaller site under the government's radar which does not require ID checks. And then there will be whack-a-mole adding sites to lists and new ones appearing.

I really should not need to add this, but given recent comments, I feel it is necessry: For the mentally challenged, I am not saying I am a supporter of Jimmy Saville. I agree about the need to do something. I have also stated that on balance this is just - and only just - better than doing nothing. But it needs serious revision, and quickly. As it stands, it cannot be a long term solution. It won't work,and carries all sorts of privacy concerns and risks.
 
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Blue Smarties said:
What? The dark web is free to access. Plenty of things to access there (the BBC, Facebook, Guardian, etc., all provide their own onion service), aside from the drugs. Unfortunately, once they’ve got the browsers downloaded, they can more easily stumble upon the darker side that they wouldn’t find on Google.
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Downloading the specific browsers and whatnot is a lot of effort to cop a view of some titties. All you need is a VPN and the Private tab on your iPad. Path of least resistance and all that. Besides, five minutes on Twitter is pretty much the dark web.
 
Genuine question, I'm not from England and not very familiar with this new law or what it means so am just wondering:
What does this law block children from seeing online that a parent cant block from their childs devices with internet themselves?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Thank you. 11 years old, and I’m in denial.

Silly question, do you support the new legislation?

Or for anybody out there, why do you not support legislation that protects your children. And if you don’t have children, why are your freedoms being denied?
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It doesn't 'protect your children', that's a Labour slogan to make people think they're doing something righteous and it's bollocks, it's not doing anything. They've found Death Stranding's photo mode bypasses it, let alone using VPN's, in fact anything which has a character creator is capable of fooling the check.

It's just nanny state Labour wanting to con more money out of people, controlling content and abusing civil liberty laws to keep tabs on innocent people. If you can't see how scammers could and will utilise this to gain access to people's bank accounts and personal details with fake 'authorisation checks', I don't know what to tell ya! You NEVER give your personal and financial information online except to make a secure purchase.

Also the bad stuff, the BAD stuff, is found on the Dark Net (Deep Web) which requires a specific router to gain access. You are already protected from it. Google or Duck Duck Go ain't giving you that shit!
 
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Metal Biker said:
It doesn't 'protect your children', that's a Labour slogan to make people think they're doing something righteous and it's bollocks, it's not doing anything. They've found Death Stranding's photo mode bypasses it, let alone using VPN's, in fact anything which has a character creator is capable of fooling the check.

It's just nanny state Labour wanting to con more money out of people, controlling content and abusing civil liberty laws to keep tabs on innocent people. If you can't see how scammers could and will utilise this to gain access to people's bank accounts and personal details with fake 'authorisation checks', I don't know what to tell ya! You NEVER give your personal and financial information online except to make a secure purchase.

Also the bad stuff, the BAD stuff, is found on the Dark Net (Deep Web) which requires a specific router to gain access. You are already protected from it. Google or Duck Duck Go ain't giving you that shit!
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What do you consider bad stuff?
 
stonerblue said:
I don't think biker is a big starmer fan.
Not sure what 'group thinks you're on about.
Kids need protecting from the adult Internet.
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So parents should not allow under 18's to use the internet.
There's no such thing as 'adult' internet. There's 'adult' content...
 
stonerblue said:
I don't think biker is a big starmer fan.
Not sure what 'group thinks you're on about.
Kids need protecting from the adult Internet.
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Kids do indeed need protection from the adult internet.

As a parent I do my very best to make sure mine don’t access stuff I don’t want them too but the reality is it’s incredibly difficult and this legislation is half baked and simply won’t work.

It took 10 seconds for anyone, if they so choose to get around it.

Porn is not illegal. Why should you have to give your identity away on the internet to view perfectly legal material when everyone knows the one thing you have to do on the web is protect your identity at all costs because fraudsters and criminals will ruin you if they get it?
 
blueinsa said:
Kids do indeed need protection from the adult internet.

As a parent I do my very best to make sure mine don’t access stuff I don’t want them too but the reality is it’s incredibly difficult and this legislation is half baked and simply won’t work.

It took 10 seconds for anyone, if they so choose to get around it.

Porn is not illegal. Why should you have to give your identity away on the internet to view perfectly legal material when everyone knows the one thing you have to do on the web is protect your identity at all costs because fraudsters and criminals will ruin you if they get it?
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Stop talking sense FFS.
 
It is there apparently to stop young people accessing harmful subjects.
We have the most tech savvy youth generation, it is naive to thing they won't get round these rules.

Also many won't have the ID they are asking for, so who is it aimed at along with under 18s? and why do adults need to be policed beyond comitting a crime (and I am sure having a wank in your house isn't illegal yet)


smacks of another new new labours micromanagement anal obsession with control.


If I want to watch some adult star flicking her bean on a legal adult movie surely thats my business and not the governments ;-)
 
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so i went online to see if i could fix my vape and guess what, its age restricted, couldnt be arsed doing photo's etc, got round the problem within 10 minutes and its not cost a penny, im no computer expert so if i can do it a 14/15 year old can to,,so im afraid the whole thing is a load of bollox
 
Just a thought. I wouldn't dream of going online without using a VPN to help protect myself, so are people allowing their kids to do so without a VPN?
 
Is there another Bill covering the same thing as the recent Act?

Seems odd to do it again so soon.
 
Just heard Youtube is working on AI that will try and hazard a guess as to how old users are based off the content they watch and take action to restrict content and ads to anyone it thinks is under 18. If you are of age you can just give them some of your data in the form of a CC or ID.

What in the fuck ever happened to parents monitoring what their children are doing?
 
BlueAnorak said:
The bill is a good idea in theory, but the implementation has all sorts of implications for big brother intruding on people's day to day lives.
This piece probably sums up my issues.
www.eff.org

The UK Online Safety Bill: A Massive Threat to Online Privacy, Security, and Speech

Are you a young person fighting back against bad bills like this one? Become an EFF member at a new, discounted Neon membership level specifically for you--stickers included! Update, September 19, 2023: The U.K. Parliament has passed the Online Safety Bill (OSB), which says it will make the U.K...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
I make no statement of support, or not, for EFF, but the concerns listed are valid. I wanted an article that sums up most of my concerns and this fits the bill.

An online independent online Proof of Age validation service funded by the internet giants is kind of essential to implement any such legislation. It's not there.
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Is EFF.Org one of those that fight for freedom of speech and if young children are drawn into extreme hate, porn, and personal harm, it’s all with the understanding that they should be allowed to say/show what they want?

The more these organisations, groups and people promote these things, the more I realise it’s these type of people who need their open (internet) borders to get their (unscrupulous) messages across. I say that in the mildest terms.
 
p.taker said:
Just heard Youtube is working on AI that will try and hazard a guess as to how old users are based off the content they watch and take action to restrict content and ads to anyone it thinks is under 18. If you are of age you can just give them some of your data in the form of a CC or ID.

What in the fuck ever happened to parents monitoring what their children are doing?
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Well, being blunt, the internet happened, then mobile phones with internet happened and now we’re in a completely different world that no one really knows how to control, let alone parents.

Everything up to that point was relatively easy to restrict and society helped, it was never down just to the parents.
 
meltonblue said:
Well, being blunt, the internet happened, then mobile phones with internet happened and now we’re in a completely different world that no one really knows how to control, let alone parents.

Everything up to that point was relatively easy to restrict and society helped, it was never down just to the parents.
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The problem that I see now is that you cannot monitor your children anymore. In my day, it was me and my siblings reading a book to my mum and dad. Nowadays, it could be watching Peppa Pig with the kids, go to get a brew and come back to see the kids watching indecent stuff.
 
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