It's Quiet the £250m return

[Dribble]

I think all the experienced players just think they can convince pep to pick them, even if the club is telling them otherwise. Reasonable stance given what happened last season. Stones has 1 year left and knows his next contract is going to be abysmal in comparison to his current one, wherever he goes. He'll probably be on pay as you play incentives with a much lower base salary. So he's gonna get another year of 200k thank you very much.

And this leads back to what's best for the club & individual players. The players will do what suits them best. Being on a top wage for a further 12 months in a WC year, is a massive incentive for many of them to say thanks, but no thanks. I'm staying put as per my contract.

Some on BM have insisted there's only an infinitesimal chance of these players staying if not wanted. However, no matter how small, there's still a chance they could refuse to leave, & all players concerned will have signed contractual terms to point to.

I'm not so certain that our squad size & player departure situation will be as easily resolved as some are making out. Then there's Pep's preference for small squads, as opposed to Foden saying yesterday he favours a big squad, as did Bernardo a few weeks earlier at the CWC.

I'm hoping it won't, but still, this could get extremely messy.

 

[Dazzle84]

I think all the experienced players just think they can convince pep to pick them, even if the club is telling them otherwise. Reasonable stance given what happened last season. Stones has 1 year left and knows his next contract is going to be abysmal in comparison to his current one, wherever he goes. He'll probably be on pay as you play incentives with a much lower base salary. So he's gonna get another year of 200k thank you very much.

Even if he were to go it's likely he'd receive a pay off from us to cover most of the wages he'd lose by going elsewhere. We tied him down to the contract and we're legally (and probably morally) bound to honour it

Anyway, if you have a 20% chance of John Stones being able to play half our games you take it.

 

[blueparrot]

Of course. Agree fully. All I was saying was that I didn't think they were bought with the specific intention of loaning them out straight away.

Think the 6 months from January was a bit of a bonus to see how they fared in the squad or whether they would need to be loaned out. Depending on who left.

Think both have shown enough that they could indeed stay and be eased into a role, but with no space now but space next year, loaning them is the obvious thing.

That's my take.

Got you :) Yes to be fair I thought a least a couple would leave this summer making loans unnecessary. Maybe the club did too.Still might I suppose.

 

[Coatigan]

Yes they could, and when you say to Reis for example, we are looking to replace Stones, Akanji, Ake over the next 2 years or less go on loan work hard and make one of those spaces your own.He can see that and believe it.Where even 2 years ago a player in that position probably couldn't.Same with the midfeilders loaned, with Bernardo, Gundogan and Kovacic.

To add to the above, where as I think Nypan and Bah were both bought knowing in advance they would be loaned out. And Kush and Nico with the intention that they go straight into the squad.

 

[Coatigan]

Got you :) Yes to be fair I thought a least a couple would leave this summer making loans unnecessary. Maybe the club did too.Still might I suppose.

Which is why I think the club are taking their time with the loans, which are usually sorted out pretty quickly. As we have seen with other young players.

 

[better dead than red]

The word uncs is really disparaging. It would be better that it's never used.

Yes. And how dare they use it and assume gender. :)

 

[Dribble]

Of course. Agree fully. All I was saying was that I didn't think they were bought with the specific intention of loaning them out straight away.

Think the 6 months from January was a bit of a bonus to see how they fared in the squad or whether they would need to be loaned out. Depending on who left.

Think both have shown enough that they could indeed stay and be eased into a role, but with no space now but space next year, loaning them is the obvious thing.

That's my take.

Agreed, but this brings me back to the point that if everything works out OK injury & physicality wise, it could be seen as a wise move.

However, if it doesn't, serious questions will be asked why we put so much effort in acquiring Reis in particular (seeing as his team wanted to keep him for the CWC), only to loan him out & place our faith in Stones & Aké remaining fit for a significant portion of the season.

Surely a rookie Reis & an effervescent Echeverri would be better than an injured Stones and/or Aké, & an ageing Gundog for the season?

 

[St.Pauli support]

Is there a limit on deals between the two clubs?

In general, 3 loan players in and 3 loan players out with a specific club:


FIFA - on player status and transfers:
Article 10 – Loan of professionals:
"6. The following limitations apply from 1 July 2024:
a) a club may have a maximum of six international professionals loaned out at any given time during a season;
b) a club may have a maximum of six international professionals loaned in at any given time during a season.

7. The loan of a professional will be exempt from the above limitations if:
a) the loan occurs before the end of the season of the former club in which the professional turns 21; and
b) the professional is a club-trained player with the former club.

8. The following restrictions apply irrespective of age or club-trained status:
a) a club may have a maximum of three professionals loaned out to a specific club at any given time during a season;
b) a club may have a maximum of three professionals loaned in from a specific club at any given time during a season."

 

[Coatigan]

In general, 3 loan players in and 3 loan players out with a specific club:


FIFA - on player status and transfers:
Article 10 – Loan of professionals:
"6. The following limitations apply from 1 July 2024:
a) a club may have a maximum of six international professionals loaned out at any given time during a season;
b) a club may have a maximum of six international professionals loaned in at any given time during a season.

7. The loan of a professional will be exempt from the above limitations if:
a) the loan occurs before the end of the season of the former club in which the professional turns 21; and
b) the professional is a club-trained player with the former club.

8. The following restrictions apply irrespective of age or club-trained status:
a) a club may have a maximum of three professionals loaned out to a specific club at any given time during a season;
b) a club may have a maximum of three professionals loaned in from a specific club at any given time during a season."

Thanks, do we have other players on loan with them this year? I.e why would loaning them Reis stop us loaning them Ech

 

[waspish]

What be interesting is which players pep leaves at home for the wolves games?

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Agreed, but this brings me back to the point that if everything works out OK injury & physicality wise, it could be seen as a wise move.

However, if it doesn't, serious questions will be asked why we put so much effort in acquiring Reis in particular (seeing as his team wanted to keep him for the CWC), only to loan him out & place our faith in Stones & Aké remaining fit for a significant portion of the season.

Surely a rookie Reis & an effervescent Echeverri would be better than an injured Stones and/or Aké, & an ageing Gundog for the season?

Only problems are we need to be of foreign players and its probably easier to loan out younger players nor on big wages.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Thanks, do we have other players on loan with them this year? I.e why would loaning them Reis stop us loaning them Ech

Nah, our only international loan (of max 6) is Bah at Lyon.
Reis to Girona would be #2.
Who said Ech couldn't join Girona as well? Never heard of that.

 

[Damanino]

What be interesting is which players pep leaves at home for the wolves games?

Wrote on that yesterday, take Reis, Echeverri, Nypan off the list as likely to be loaned.
McAtee likely to be sold.
Kova and Phillips are injured.

on top of them, it will still not be possible for the likes of Ortega, Khusanov, Nico Gonzalez, Bobb, OReilly, Grealish to sit on the bench vs Wolves. maybe they can do but then you have Rico Lewis, Trafford, Cherki missing out etc.

I am very surprised if none of Ake, Akanji, Stones is moved on, and Stones pretty much confirmed as staying.
also surprised if Gundogan and Kovacic both remains with Nico and Reijnders in as new signings and Rodri will hopefully pick of lot of the minutes in the middle which he couldnt do last season.

 

[Marvin.]

Of course. Agree fully. All I was saying was that I didn't think they were bought with the specific intention of loaning them out straight away.

Think the 6 months from January was a bit of a bonus to see how they fared in the squad or whether they would need to be loaned out. Depending on who left.

Think both have shown enough that they could indeed stay and be eased into a role, but with no space now but space next year, loaning them is the obvious thing.

That's my take.

But there will be space as City are going to have to let 4/5 players go between now and the end of the window. And if Echeverri played in the Cup Final he wasn't squeezed out anyway

 

[Coatigan]

Nah, our only international loan (of max 6) is Bah at Lyon.
Reis to Girona would be #2.
Who said Ech couldn't join Girona as well? Never heard of that.

I may have misread the post I responded to. It was described it as 'the last loan deal between city/girona for the summer' but in fairness didn't claim it had to be. Hence the question, but all clear now, thanks.

 

[nmc]

Echeverri’s apparent insistence to go to Roma instead of Girona seems to be continuing.

Only worry with that is they want a buy option. If we fall for that bait, I hope we get a discounted buy back clause in there.

It’s Roma pushing that agenda.

 

[Coatigan]

But there will be space as City are going to have to let 4/5 players go between now and the end of the window. And if Echeverri played in the Cup Final he wasn't squeezed out anyway

Yea, but two of those 4/5 will be Reis and Ech

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

It’s Roma pushing that agenda.

So send him to Lazio instead with no buy option..

As a bonus they play in blue don't they?

 

[Dribble]

Only problems are we need to be of foreign players and its probably easier to loan out younger players nor on big wages.

It maybe easier to loan out younger players on smaller wages, but that begs the question of what was the point in us acquiring so many new younger players to replace our ageing, injury-prone players?

Aren't those ageing, injury-prone players the real issue?

 

[citizen_maine]

It maybe easier to loan out younger players on smaller wages, but that begs the question of what was the point in us acquiring so many new younger players to replace our ageing, injury-prone players?

Aren't those ageing, injury-prone players the real issue?

3 of them are out of contract next summer. Maybe we felt we couldn't wait that long to buy their replacements