Lowering the drink driving limit

Lavinda Past said:
That's probably the daftest thing I've read on here today.
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Can you honestly take a holier than thou stance and say you have complied with every law every drafted by every politician. He who has never sinned may cast the first stone and all that.
 
halfmist said:
I don’t know if you have been to Wales recently. I am fortunate enough to have a car that constantly updates the speed on a particular road. The frustration is most cars don’t and the amount of cars that tailgate the car in front that doesn’t realise the speed on that particular stretch is not 20 mph. The most amusing thing is as soon as you leave the road on to a car park the limit increases to either 30 /40 mph. Crazy.
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Ha don't get me started on that as well. Just come back from Wales and the all encompassing 20mph speed limits are OTT in many cases.

It should be on a case by case basis. Like for example at beautiful Tintern with it's semi narrow roads and lots of tourists mingling about I agree with the 20mph. It feels right.

But when you go through a village that's got a road wide enough for two HGVs and was probably one of the main roads between Newport and Cardiff before the M4 then it just feels ridiculous having to go so slow.

So I can understand why people get confused because it's not the obviously dangerous roads that are 20mph.

One little benefit I have noticed with the 20mph zones though is that it makes for a very easy overtake as you come out of the 20mph. Your average car can do a 20 to 40mph dash noticeably faster than say a 30 to 50mph speed increase. With the lower speeds the amount of road required to overtake is also reduced so it's a safer overtake.
 
Lavinda Past said:
That's probably the daftest thing I've read on here today.
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I'm not advocating drinking and driving over the current limits.

I'm advocating a compromise between the shall do no wrong crowd and the people who are happy with the current limits and don't want to see them reduced.
 
crooky said:
Ha don't get me started on that as well. Just come back from Wales and the all encompassing 20mph speed limits are OTT in many cases.

It should be on a case by case basis. Like for example at beautiful Tintern with it's semi narrow roads and lots of tourists mingling about I agree with the 20mph. It feels right.

But when you go through a village that's got a road wide enough for two HGVs and was probably one of the main roads between Newport and Cardiff before the M4 then it just feels ridiculous having to go so slow.

So I can understand why people get confused because it's not the obviously dangerous roads that are 20mph.

One little benefit I have noticed with the 20mph zones though is that it makes for a very easy overtake as you come out of the 20mph. Your average car can do a 20 to 40mph dash noticeably faster than say a 30 to 50mph speed increase. With the lower speeds the amount of road required to overtake is also reduced so it's a safer overtake.
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They are having to have a rethink on the hair brain scheme. Who ever thought it out has suddenly realised it’s not exactly a vote winner. There is talk of it being left to local authorities where it will apply. That’s not going to cause any confusion is it.
 
halfmist said:
There is going to be a discussion to reduce the drink drive limit from 0.08 to 0.05 to bring it in line with Scotland. Personally I like popping down to the Local now and again to have 2 pints before tea so not in favour. It may end up the final nail in the coffin particularly for country pubs
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There's got to be some irony in it being a local, but having to drive to have a couple of pints.

Appreciate not everyone lives 'near' their local pub, but my guess is most people can walk if they really need to.
 
crooky said:
Ha don't get me started on that as well. Just come back from Wales and the all encompassing 20mph speed limits are OTT in many cases.

It should be on a case by case basis. Like for example at beautiful Tintern with it's semi narrow roads and lots of tourists mingling about I agree with the 20mph. It feels right.

But when you go through a village that's got a road wide enough for two HGVs and was probably one of the main roads between Newport and Cardiff before the M4 then it just feels ridiculous having to go so slow.

So I can understand why people get confused because it's not the obviously dangerous roads that are 20mph.

One little benefit I have noticed with the 20mph zones though is that it makes for a very easy overtake as you come out of the 20mph. Your average car can do a 20 to 40mph dash noticeably faster than say a 30 to 50mph speed increase. With the lower speeds the amount of road required to overtake is also reduced so it's a safer overtake.
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You cant equate having the hump about speed limits with the issue of drinking and driving home, Shirley?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The key thing is with having a drink and driving is that it's also other people's lives you risk.
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I don't think having a drink *within the limits* is any worse than a multitude of things related to driving though.

People driving distracted by other people in their car or driving after just a few hours sleep etc are in the same category. It's not ideal but it's legal.
 
Drink driving is an awful crime, we should have zero alcohol as the limit for driving. That would simplify "Am I over or not?" debates. Also several countries already have zero as their limit.
 
halfmist said:
Just out of interest, with you saying you love a beer, do you breathalyse yourself before driving.
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You mean the following day?
Obviously if I goto the pub when I've got the car I just drink coke.

The following day - I'm fortunate I work from home and so I wouldn't think it would ever really be an issue for me tbh.
 
I was deeply saddened when Wyoming lowered their limit to .08 and banned open containers in a vehicle. Gone are the days when you could pull into the Stagecoach bar at the base of Teton pass and get a cocktail to go from the drive through window.
 
crooky said:
I'm not advocating drinking and driving over the current limits.

I'm advocating a compromise between the shall do no wrong crowd and the people who are happy with the current limits and don't want to see them reduced.
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Why don't they want to see them reduced?
 
OnlyOneUweRosler said:
Drink driving is an awful crime, we should have zero alcohol as the limit for driving. That would simplify "Am I over or not?" debates. Also several countries already have zero as their limit.
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"The following countries have zero tolerance for driving while under the influence of alcohol for the general population: Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brazil, Gambia, Hungary, Indonesia, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Qatar, Senegal, Slovakia, Tajikistan, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, and Yemen."

Notice the link between most of those countries?

16 out of the 22 countries listed are either Islamic countries or under a dictatorship. Hmm how surprising.
 
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