Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

You’ve just admitted that he has the worst conversion rate of any player in Europe, and yet you still think he’s worth £100m.

You must know you’re making no sense at all?

It's regression to the mean, it's why any data-led sport would bet on him and buy low on him.

It's not "admitting", I'm saying its unrepeatable.

That's the actual reason to have faith.

I just feel like you fundamentally don't understand what I'm saying. You think Mahrez who was in Le Havre's B team at his age is a viable comparison.
 
Bottom line is that we let players go who want to leave (more often than not) so I would bet that he is more confident to get game time at Spurs than with us. Also more money ...
 
It's regression to the mean, it's why any data-led sport would bet on him and buy low on him.

It's not "admitting", I'm saying its unrepeatable.

That's the actual reason to have faith.

I just feel like you fundamentally don't understand what I'm saying. You think Mahrez who was in Le Havre's B team at his age is a viable comparison.
£60m is not buying low though is it.

Comparing players at different ages is a hasty generalisation, that rarely proves to mean anything. It’s a bias based on a snapshot of information.

There are as many or more examples of players who showed more than Mahrez at 21 that never reached his heights than the opposite.

We don’t know how good Savinho can be, we can only sell him based on his current ability.
 
£60m is not buying low though is it.

Comparing players at different ages is a hasty generalisation, that rarely proves to mean anything. It’s a bias based on a snapshot of information.

There are as many or more examples of players who showed more than Mahrez at 21 that never reached his heights than the opposite.

We don’t know how good Savinho can be, we can only sell him based on his current ability.
In which he's in the 99% percentile for dribblers and passers and was only behind Yamal and Guler as attackers in the Ballon D'Or young player voting.

Was literally our assists leader too. Our joint 3rd best player for Goal contributions (because assists should matter too).

Every single attribute apart from finishing (for 1 season only) suggests he's going to be a world class player.
 
In which he's in the 99% percentile for dribblers and passers and was only behind Yamal and Guler as attackers in the Ballon D'Or young player voting.

Was literally our assists leader too. Our joint 3rd best player for Goal contributions (because assists should matter too).

Every single attribute apart from finishing (for 1 season only) suggests he's going to be a world class player.
I guess we’ll see. Reality is that he isn’t good enough to start for us, or any of the worlds best teams as he is right now.

Hence why the club is open to selling him, and he is open to leaving, because he doesn’t back himself to improve to the required standard at City.
 
It's regression to the mean, it's why any data-led sport would bet on him and buy low on him.

It's not "admitting", I'm saying its unrepeatable.

That's the actual reason to have faith.

I just feel like you fundamentally don't understand what I'm saying. You think Mahrez who was in Le Havre's B team at his age is a viable comparison.

Isn't this like saying Hojlund should go for £200m because he scored fuck all though?
 
In which he's in the 99% percentile for dribblers and passers and was only behind Yamal and Guler as attackers in the Ballon D'Or young player voting.

Was literally our assists leader too. Our joint 3rd best player for Goal contributions (because assists should matter too).

Every single attribute apart from finishing (for 1 season only) suggests he's going to be a world class player.
Whom would prefer to play elsewhere as we have competition for his position
 
I guess we’ll see. Reality is that he isn’t good enough to start for us, or any of the worlds best teams as he is right now.

Hence why the club is open to selling him, and he is open to leaving, because he doesn’t back himself to improve to the required standard at City.
We're open to selling him either because we want Rodrygo (ok I accept that, not sure I'm in favour, but can definitely see the merits) or because we've messed up squad places so badly that akanji, gundogan, bernardo and kovacic use up all the NHG places (terrible).
 
We're open to selling him either because we want Rodrygo (ok I accept that, not sure I'm in favou, but can definitely see the merits) or because we've messed up squad places so badly that akanji, gundogan, bernardo and kovacic use up all the NHG places (terrible).
I disagree, I think the club are in doubt that he can reach the required standard, and reckon £60m would be very good money for Europes worst finisher.

Like I said earlier, I don’t think he suits the new style either.
 
Whom would prefer to play elsewhere as we have competition for his position
If you believe that's all there is to it and every player we've ever had that agreed terms with another club left then fair enough.

Bit weird we didn't sell him at the start of the window and fix all these squad place issues, before loads of other wingers had filled potential destinations.
 
In which he's in the 99% percentile for dribblers and passers and was only behind Yamal and Guler as attackers in the Ballon D'Or young player voting.

Was literally our assists leader too. Our joint 3rd best player for Goal contributions (because assists should matter too).

Every single attribute apart from finishing (for 1 season only) suggests he's going to be a world class player.

I'm not convinced by him, but not against him either. On the fence I guess. Any stats you're looking at need balancing with how much possession and attacking we do in general as a team.

Being critical, he was inconsistent and that isn't good enough at the very top level. Hard to know if that would come in time or not. I'm sure he'll do well if he leaves, but other teams don't face packed defences like we do. I prefer Bobb getting the minutes as I think he's got better vision and intelligence.
 
No mate, its literally nothing like that.

It is a bit. You're betting on that rate improving and saying he's worth loads based on that. He's not, but people may take a chance on it improving if they feel like they can get a good value deal.
 
I disagree, I think the club are in doubt that he can reach the required standard, and reckon £60m would be very good money for Europes worst finisher.

Like I said earlier, I don’t think he suits the new style either.
To be fair mate I think we can both see we don't agree on this one.

For me he's a 100m player on the same path as Doue / Barcola and miles ahead of Gittens, Minteh etc.
 
It is a bit. You're betting on that rate improving and saying he's worth loads based on that. He's not, but people may take a chance on it improving if they feel like they can get a good value deal.
There's a difference between bad finishing on an expected level and hideous finishing on a completely anomalous level.

Massive club data departments can work it out.
 
If you believe that's all there is to it and every player we've ever had that agreed terms with another club left then fair enough.

Bit weird we didn't sell him at the start of the window and fix all these squad place issues, before loads of other wingers had filled potential destinations.
Maybe he didnt say he would prefer to play elsewhere earlier in the window , Maybe he has realised that he's competing with Bob ,Cherki, Foden in a world cup year has created that desire , maybe there wasnt offers from other clubs at that time . These are all moving parts that create a transfer scenario. We have a policy to allow players that want to leave to leave if a decent offer is made, just so happens an upgrade is available at the same time.
In one thread you cant understand why we cant move players that don't want to leave on, and in another your questioning why we move a player that wants to move on
 
There's a difference between bad finishing on an expected level and hideous finishing on a completely anomalous level.

Massive club data departments can work it out.

Generally agree with you on that, and I was obviously being a bit daft with my example.

In terms of Sav, I'm not sure it's his finishing exactly that's the issue (for me), he just doesn't seem on other players wavelengths at times - taking an extra touch when it needs to go early, running i to teammates a bit... I've no idea how good his actual finishing is - for me that's one ones, tap-ins etc. Most of his misses are pure shooting fails, going for the corner and hoping for too much bend etc.

And then there's the defensive side of the game....

He's a decent player at the moment, who could still improve, but there are other players out there and I guess it comes down to if we're prepared to wait for it to all click into place.
 

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