Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

[SWP's back]

Especially if 25 of those 50 shots are on target.

Did you see the shots? The didn’t go in as they were straight at the keeper at roughly 3mph.

 

[SWP's back]

Can anyone see a weird outlier (some may say "statistical anomaly") here?!

Yes it’s screams to me he couldn’t finish a Greggs sausage roll and backs up what my eyes see.

 

[NQCitizen]

Did you see the shots? The didn’t go in as they were straight at the keeper at roughly 3mph.

No I closed my eyes each time mate ;)

Yeah, that is eminently fixable. He was 20. The current golden boot holder was scoring 9 goals in the Swiss league at his age.

Can you see from the stats above that we literally only need to fix his shooting confidence, and I'd say his timing of shots and he'd be at least as good as, if not a fair bit better than Barcola and Doue?

Must be the only 21 year old on the planet that is clearly one of the best dribblers and passers in the world already for their age but their fans want him gone because they think its impossible to teach shooting and composure (when they are the elements of football that come latest).

 

[SWP's back]

Must be the only 21 year old on the planet that is clearly one of the best dribblers and passers in the world already but their fans want him gone because they think its impossible to teach shooting and composure (when they are the elements of football that come latest).

I just have more faith in Bobb who’s shown far greater composure and has a far higher ceiling in my opinion.

 

[oldius]

Another somewhat weird, polarised thread to add to those on Lewis, Grealish, and past greats like Raz and Mahrez.
He is not shit, nor amazing.
He is a young player who has had great games, average games, and relatively poor games.
He is good at some things and less good at others.
Can we have sensible discussions and balance instead of concrete walls between stay or go?

 

[Hgblue2]

Did you see the shots? The didn’t go in as they were straight at the keeper at roughly 3mph.

 

[Nails]

Another somewhat weird, polarised thread.
He is not shit, nor amazing.
He is a young player who has had great games, average games, and relatively poor games.
He is good at some things and less good at others.
Can we have sensible discussions and balance instead of concrete walls between stay or go?

Nuance is dead. (Played left back for St Etienne)

 

[NQCitizen]

I just have more faith in Bobb who’s shown far greater composure and has a far higher ceiling in my opinion.

I don't think there's anything to support that (or disprove it) due to Bobb's lack of games and I wouldn't argue with a subjective opinion anyway, it's nice you like Bobb.

I don't really see it as Bobb vs Savinho anyway. I'd happily have both, we play a lot of games and one coming on to replace the other gives us an incredibly strong RW for a decade.

 

[SWP's back]

Danny Mills managed to hit one similar. Not sure of your point.

 

[SWP's back]

I don't really see it as Bobb vs Savinho anyway. I'd happily have both, we play a lot of games and one coming on to replace the other gives us an incredibly strong RW for a decade.

That’s fair enough. I only got involved in the discussion as some was saying anyone that prefers Bobb is fickle.

 

[Hgblue2]

Danny Mills managed to hit one similar. Not sure of your point.

Haha, just winding you up mate, either you see the potential in Savinho or you don't, no big deal.

 

[NQCitizen]

That’s fair enough. I only got involved in the discussion as some was saying anyone that prefers Bobb is fickle.

Ironically, that's not very fickle of you.

 

[TheBlueCat]

Danny Mills managed to hit one similar. Not sure of your point.

…and Alan Kernaghan

 

[Gumzy97]

So, he's similar or worse in the league than Doku re: goals/assists per 90 (2 years older than him and 4 years older than Savinho) but compensates for it in big games. I'm not sure that's enough to pay him 300k a week.

For the record, I'm not against signing Rodrygo. It's up to Pep and the club. But I can see why we may be cautious.

His league record is iffy yeah, but if your paying 300k a week to a player thats proven they can do it consistently in the Champions league knockouts 300k is worth it.

His goals have put Madrid into finals, Vini jr gets the plaudits but Rodrygo is who you can count on to score in those semi finals etc a player needed in the big moments. Comeback against us , the assists and goal at Chelsea, against Atletico

If we are in the semi final of a champions league I'd rather Rodrygo over Doku and Savinho. Because he's proven it. He's got enough credit that you know he going to do something.

 

[alexmcity]

His league record is iffy yeah, but if your paying 300k a week to a player thats proven they can do it consistently in the Champions league knockouts 300k is worth it.

His goals have put Madrid into finals, Vini jr gets the plaudits but Rodrygo is who you can count on to score in those semi finals etc a player needed in the big moments. Comeback against us , the assists and goal at Chelsea, winner against Atletico when it's 1-1.

If we are in the semi final of a champions league I'd rather Rodrygo over Doku and Savinho. Because he's proven it. He's got enough credit that you know he going to do something.

Yet Ancelotti didn't start him in the CL final vs Liverpool.

I have no doubt he's a good player, but he hasn't shown he's much better than Savinho or Doku. Plus, he has regressed since 22/23: minutes per goal involvement in the league went from 140 to 155 to 175...

 

[NQCitizen]

His league record is iffy yeah, but if your paying 300k a week to a player thats proven they can do it consistently in the Champions league knockouts 300k is worth it.

His goals have put Madrid into finals, Vini jr gets the plaudits but Rodrygo is who you can count on to score in those semi finals etc a player needed in the big moments. Comeback against us , the assists and goal at Chelsea, against Atletico

If we are in the semi final of a champions league I'd rather Rodrygo over Doku and Savinho. Because he's proven it. He's got enough credit that you know he going to do something.

It's a solid argument but you only get the chance to prove it by getting to semis with the likes of Real Madrid though.

It's a lot to pay for a moment you might not get to for a player who might not even start.

 

[Master-Lotus]

Personally I think Savinho has a really high ceiling. He needs to work on his shooting but there's so much about his game to like.

I personally think he's miles better than Doku and I can see Savinho in 2-3 being a top class winger. Ideal for me would have been Spurs in for Doku so we could have kept Savinho and signed Rodrygo to play on the left.

I love Rodrygo, but unless a wide player goes there's just no room for him.

I respect your opinion but I think Doku is better. He's unpredictable, has a crazy pace and scored more goals. And I genuinely believe he'll just get better and better. His goal/finish against Juventus is something I can never see Savinho do.

 

[Master-Lotus]

If someone said you have to pick either Bobb or Sav to reach the very top I’d be in the Bobb camp all day long. He’s got a real X factor about him.

Exactly. Bobb has a massive potential and I think many people forgot that because he was injured the entire season. It's a joy to watch him play. When I watch Savinho play he just makes me angry.

I don't get why this is so hard to illustrate. Players don't just only score at an average of 1 in 50 shots for their entire career. Especially if 25 of those 50 shots are on target.

These are all the percentage stats, to avoid appearances skweing it.

Can anyone see a weird outlier (some may say "statistical anomaly") here?!

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The problem is that many of us don't see this as an anomaly. If Savinho had a conversion rate of the other 2 I'd be cursing our board for even thinking about selling him. If we really have to keep him, I truly hope he proves me and others wrong and ends up scoring at least 7-9 goals per PL season along with his 8 assists. Because if he doesn't, we're all gonna suffer next season, again.

 

[Master-Lotus]

For me, that's the only anomaly about Savinho. The cannonball against Juve (which ofc was deflected) instead of him having 1 goal in 32 PL games. 1 game vs 32 games, that 1 game is way more likely to be an anomaly.

 

[CΛL]

No I closed my eyes each time mate ;)

Yeah, that is eminently fixable. He was 20. The current golden boot holder was scoring 9 goals in the Swiss league at his age.

Can you see from the stats above that we literally only need to fix his shooting confidence, and I'd say his timing of shots and he'd be at least as good as, if not a fair bit better than Barcola and Doue?

Must be the only 21 year old on the planet that is clearly one of the best dribblers and passers in the world already for their age but their fans want him gone because they think its impossible to teach shooting and composure (when they are the elements of football that come latest).

Get the graphs back out lad, that'll change everyone's mind