Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

[NQCitizen]

Savinho and Doku don't though, that's the big issue here.

We do need people to assist the scorers though, especially with Kev gone.

 

[mexico1970]

We do need people to assist the scorers though, especially with Kev gone.

The Reindeer and Cherki should cover that IMHO.

 

[NQCitizen]

The Reindeer and Cherki should cover that IMHO.

See i think we might look more to creativity from the true wingers and more goal threat from the advancing mids and 10s. Foden and Reijnders are definitely more scorers than assisters, Cherki a bit more balanced

I think we'll play a 4-2-3-1 and foden / cherki will have minimal defensive responsibility and most play will be to unlock those parked defences.

Teaching Doku and Savio, Bobb how to tap it in at the backpost would be huge.

It'll be interesting to see.

 

[Gordyola]

Yeah Levy’s knocked off 3m yesterday when I pointed out Savinho can’t finish a Greggs pastie.

Luke Shaw is alerted

 

[mexico1970]

See i think we might look more to creativity from the true wingers and more goal threat from the advancing mids and 10s. Foden and Reijnders are definitely more scorers than assisters, Cherki a bit more balanced

I think we'll play a 4-2-3-1 and foden / cherki will have minimal defensive responsibility and most play will be to unlock those parked defences.

Teaching Doku and Savio, Bobb how to tap it in at the backpost would be huge.

It'll be interesting to see.

I'd say that Savio is gone, too much noise and although we as fans know the sum total of nothing even if a fraction of it is true he's out the door for the right price.

I agree that if we could get either one in a position to tap it in it'll help out no end.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Savinho and Doku don't though, that's the big issue here.

So basically we need to find a winger who's willing to come in as 2nd choice?. Savio has only had 1 season and had the most assists for us and people are already to bin him off? It's all because he's not a big name from a big club IF we signed rodrigo and he came up with 10 g/a this season nobody would be demanding he was sold because he was bought from real madrid!! Same as grealish he never contributed big numbers in the g/a column but people never moaned cos we was winning and that's basically what it comes down too.

 

[NQCitizen]

I'd say that Savio is gone, too much noise and although we as fans know the sum total of nothing even if a fraction of it is true he's out the door for the right price.

I agree that if we could get either one in a position to tap it in it'll help out no end.

Yeah I think the wild card is our board member "blocking it".

Is it to get more money from Spurs or could we see a Rico-style surprise contract extension with improved terms? Guess we'll see.

I've said all along he's potentially a 100m player but obviously that's not guaranteed so all in all 70m and a Rodrygo replacement is about as well as I think we could do in this scenario. Good job from Viana if it comes off.

 

[PrezIke]

There seems to be a lot of things being said about homegrown registration rules that I'm not clear if everyone really understands them. Maybe there are people to do but the problem is it's really hard to explain simply because there's a exception or differences that are going to be confusing to read and a lot of people get frustrated about too many words.

The problem is you can't explain it without using a lot of words you can explain it simply but it's gonna leave something out. I promise you.

 

[Master-Lotus]

So if we can double our money on a transfer you would let Haaland go for £100m? And before you reply with "after one season", what did Haaland do in his first season?

The difference is that Haaland is actually a world class player unlike Savinho. I would never sell our world class players, no matter the price.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

If Chelsea are offered £80m for Palmer, is it crazy not to accept or is Palmer world class now? The message being, making a profit on a player is not the be all and end all if it weakens your squad / team. I personally would keep Savinho. Many wouldn't but only time will tell.

 

[Coatigan]

If Chelsea are offered £80m for Palmer, is it crazy not to accept or is Palmer world class now? The message being, making a profit on a player is not the be all and end all if it weakens your squad / team. I personally would keep Savinho. Many wouldn't but only time will tell.

Yeah people are saying it is a no-brainer to accept anyting over 60m for him, for the profit.

Aye, not if it costs you 100m plus over 10m a year more in wages to replace him.

 

[PrezIke]

Do we have an expert on the squad rules for both PL and UCL? I think it'd be pretty sweet if we had a stickied thread at the top with the rules and our current squad status

About a decade ago, we used to have a big problem with this because we had a lot of foreign players, few nation trained and even less club trained players.

Key To UNDERSTANDING:

if a club doesn't have enough of the players that the PL or UEFA require as "Home grown"...

Meaning not enough players who meet the PL & UEFA"s different HG definitions (there are 3 different definitions)

A club CANNOT register 25 players.

Right now it looks like we are going to only have 16 players as far as I can tell that our senior And considered over 21

However, there are also differences between UEFA and the Premier League's definitions of Under 21 players.

This only adds to what can make this a bit confusing to explain or understand.

Possible misunderstanding about "academy players" who are "needed" to be or we will registered for CL but that isn't necessarily true.

Foden was not registered for years even though he played in CL and he is not alone. Many of our academy players have played in CL and NOT BEEN REGISTERED because they were considered u21s by UEFA for their competitions.

HG players for the PL are trained either in the English or Welsh FA between the ages of 16 and 21 for three seasons or 36 months. That's why Nathan Ake, is considered a HG or nation trained player for the Premier league.

You do not HAVE to have trained with the club to be considered HG for the PL this is ONLY for UEFA competitions.

Ake like Stones, but also Foden, Bobb, etc. are considered Association Trained players for UEFA.

But of course Stones and Ake did not train with the club between those ages or something similar to that like we have with Phil Foden, Oscar Bobb, or James Trafford, so they are not considered Club Trained for UEFA's List B (explained later)

Rico Lewis, is 20 years old is considered an under 21 player in both competitions, and would not be registered at all because it doesn't make sense.

But not ONLY because of his age.

Whilst he may be a academy or homegrown or club train player, we don't register him for either PL or CL because of this. So he should not be added in anyone's calculations.

So we only have three players that work for the club trained definition that UEFA asks.

But you need 8 players combined that were trained in the ass association meeting in England or perhaps Wales (I'm not sure off the top if Wales counts as it does for the PL, but we don't have any players that we're trained in Wales so it's not a problem).

Meanwhile, Savinho, who is actually not 21 years old and actually you can be 21 years old and be considered an under 21 player. Just to be clear

Because he has not been with the club for two seasons. This happened also when we Jesus, he had to be registered for CL because he hadn't been with the club long enough even though he met the criteria to be an under 21 player that does not need to be registered in the PL.

This also came up in our history with Kelechi Ihenacho.

He was training in our academy, but when he was brought into the first team, even though he was under 21 years old, he was not eligible to be considered and under 21 player because he had not trained with the club for enough time.

At one point, I believe after the second registration window in February one season, he was then able to be considered an under 21 player because he had been with the club long enough.

So these are things to consider and really important to understand.

What also ends up happening is that whilst you are allowed to have a maximum of 25 players in the squad for both lists...

If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]:If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]: Foden, Bobb, TraffordIf you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]:If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8 & -1 squad space any missing]: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli
Club Trained [Need 8 & -1 squad space any missing]: Foden, Bobb, Trafford

Lewis = u21 for both so will not be registered and does not need to be

Savinho = u21 for PL but NOT for CL/UEFA so HAS to be on List A

 

[Master-Lotus]

Do you yourself believe that Spurs would have bid circa £70m for Savinho?

It has been reported today that Spurs are willing to match our asking price of 68mil pounds in their 3rd offer which is coming after the game on Saturday.

 

[chiswick blue]

Spurs forward line is severely lacking especially on the right and they need a quality statement signing. Despite Levy being a tight arse he’s not a fool and knows this season has to be deliver much better results. From a finance standpoint investing in Savinho who is young, talented and not on huge sums of money makes sense.

From a footballing point of view Savinho is already a good player with a year of prem experience and can only get better, he will make loads of chances from the right for the correct striker and that’s exactly what Spurs need. Therefore this is a matter of time after Saturday because it’s just too good a deal for both city and spurs

 

[johnny crossan]

About a decade ago, we used to have a big problem with this because we had a lot of foreign players, few nation trained and even less club trained players.

Key To UNDERSTANDING:

if a club doesn't have enough of the players that the PL or UEFA require as "Home grown"...

Meaning not enough players who meet the PL & UEFA"s different HG definitions (there are 3 different definitions)

A club CANNOT register 25 players.

Right now it looks like we are going to only have 16 players as far as I can tell that our senior And considered over 21 although just to be clear there's differences between What considered under 21 players or over 21 by UEFA and the Premier league and that's what can make this a bit confusing to explain or understand

This relates to what I was mentioning about what seems to be maybe some misunderstanding about academy players as people are calling them.

These are players that were trained either in the English or Welsh FA between the ages of 16 and 21 for three seasons or 36 months. That's why Nathan Ake, is considered a HG or nation train player for the Premier league

He's considered an association trained player for UEFA.

However, he did not train with the club between those ages or something similar to that like we have with Phil Foden, Oscar Bobb, or James Trafford.

However, Rico Lewis, is 20 years old and is considered an under 21 player in both competions. Whilst he may be a academy or homegrown or club train player, he would not be registered at all because it doesn't make sense.

So we only have three players that work for the club trained definition that UEFA asks.

But you need 8 players combined that were trained in the ass association meeting in England or perhaps Wales (I'm not sure off the top if Wales counts as it does for the PL, but we don't have any players that we're trained in Wales so it's not a problem).

Meanwhile, Savinho, who is actually not 21 years old and actually you can be 21 years old and be considered an under 21 player. Just to be clear

Because he has not been with the club for two seasons. This happened also when we Jesus, he had to be registered for CL because he hadn't been with the club long enough even though he met the criteria to be an under 21 player that does not need to be registered in the PL.

This also came up in our history with Kelechi Ihenacho.

He was training in our academy, but when he was brought into the first team, even though he was under 21 years old, he was not eligible to be considered and under 21 player because he had not trained with the club for enough time.

At one point, I believe after the second registration window in February one season, he was then able to be considered an under 21 player because he had been with the club long enough.

So these are things to consider and really important to understand.

What also ends up happening is that whilst you are allowed to have a maximum of 25 players in the squad for both lists...

If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]:If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]: Foden, Bobb, TraffordIf you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8]:If you do not have enough of any of the definitions of the homegrown or HG players that we referred to, although there are again three different definitions of these and also important to consider the different ways that under 21 players are defined

You do not automatically get to register 17 foreign players.

In fact, if you do not have enough of the HG players for any of the three lists, you lose one of those spots

As far as I can tell, we have 16 players that we are going to be registering and are going to be eligible for it and that we are able to based on the fact that we have

6 HG players that can meet the requirements combined.

PL - Nation Trained England/Wales FA: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli

UEFA:

Association Trained (List A) [Need 8 & -1 squad space any missing]: Foden, Bobb, Trafford, Ake, Stones, Bettinelli
Club Trained [Need 8 & -1 squad space any missing]: Foden, Bobb, Trafford

Lewis = u21 for both so will not be registered and does not need to be

Savinho = u21 for PL but NOT for CL/UEFA so HAS to be on List A

How does our reported option to recall Reis from his La Liga loan before January to play in the PL as an U21 work? EDIT (It's the Football Association of England & Wales btw )

 

[Coatigan]

It has been reported today that Spurs are willing to match our asking price of 68mil pounds in their 3rd offer which is coming after the game on Saturday.

Saw that. Do you believe it though?

I don't.

 

[lee one pen]

So Spurs dont want to pay the fee but will accelerate talks after the game? Sounds plausible...........

We should be telling Levy to go fuck himself. We should never deal with Tottenham as long as he’s in charge.

 

[jrb]

Knowing Levy, he will pay the €80mill transfer fee over 3 months using the Klarna Bank interest free payment option.

 

[Master-Lotus]

Saw that. Do you believe it though?

I don't.

I do because they are desperate now. Fans are calling for Levy's sacking and Frank Thomas must be angry as well. They bottled 2/3 Summer targets. Savinho is their last one.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Levy has never bothered what the fans think. Dividends are his driver.