Pep Guardiola - 2025/26

Haven't seen this many posters writing him off, getting pissy and drawing up their Pep Out signs since the infamous October 2020 thread.


What happened after that again?

Funnily enough it seems like it's a lot of the same posters.
 
Prime Walker was the most important player of Pep's time here. We won nothing before and our decline correlates well with Kyle's legs going.
With him in the team, break aways were snuffed out before they'd even touched the ball in our half. Kyle was always there first, took possession and kept us up the pitch. Now we are constantly exposed with our fullbacks both inverted and nowhere to be seen and the Cbs running back as if they're in a dream.

Not directly replacing that get out of jail card that he constantly was is borderline moronic. Also, not giving a chance to the lad you have warming the bench that could offer that counter resistance is almost as bad.

Would love to hear his thought process behind this. Because imo, we don't get better again under Pep, until this problem is addressed.
This is at best revisionist history and at worst pure Fantasy.
 
Haven't seen this many posters writing him off, getting pissy and drawing up their Pep Out signs since the infamous October 2020 thread.


What happened after that again?

Funnily enough it seems like it's a lot of the same posters.
I don't think you were referring to me but for fun I went back to check if I was pep out in any of my posts in October 2020 (and anytime up to 2022 ish) as I couldn't remember and was relieved to see I wasn't!

As an aside during this time I did defend Gundo a lot, disliked Cancelo and hated Mahrez. I also loved Rodri very early on and was disappointed with Walker initially. So a right mixed bag there!
 
A shocking stat for Pep "lovers":

Between our losses vs Liverpool in February and Spurs in August we won 39 pts from 15 games, which means 2,6 ppg and 98 pts over 38 games.

Pep is finished.
And what have we won in that period, apart from qualifying for the CL? And the club right now, with all the transfers in and out, looks like only capable competing for that.

What if Pep's winning era with us has ended actually and what we are seeing right now is an afterglow of once bright star that ran out of fuel and exploded.

Everything has its natural end, my issue is not with Pep, but the club that lost its direction.

Just saying!
 
It's like 2017 all over again with people rolling out all the misinformed cliches about high lines, slow players, Pep needing to 'learn' etc. All the hits!
He needs replacing with this guy ;)

4-4-2, nobody stepping into midfield to create an overload, just direct, long ball to big Erl, get Marmoush running in behind for a flick on & we’ll be winning everything again m this season

No idea why Pep can’t see this, the useless ****:……..

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Haven't seen this many posters writing him off, getting pissy and drawing up their Pep Out signs since the infamous October 2020 thread.


What happened after that again?

Funnily enough it seems like it's a lot of the same posters.
He isn't beyond criticism. I know many think he is but you have to question some of the methods, especially when it is the same repeated methods that result in the same outcome. I didn't want Pep behind this rebuild, but now he is he will get my support each week. I don't expect us to win anything this season I think too much has changed and it would be unfair to expect as much. What I do want this season is for us to look more entertaining, be quicker, more direct, play exciting football unlike last season which was a snore fest. We will lose along the way, I don't have issues with that, the issue is if the loss has come from a lot of your own doing. Repeating that stupid high line with no pace at the back, playing Rico right back the first two games, choosing a captain who isn't going to play every week. It is concerning and all blues will be hoping he turns it around but you also have to be realistic. Think of it from a players point of view too, they'd have ran through brick walls for Pep, knowing that his methods result in success. The longer them methods result in failure, especially when it's obvious some of the problems he isn't changing, the players will be less committed to the cause and will question things.

After October 2020 we won the league, we won't be saying the same this season.
 
This is a new team with new players trying to integrate into a complex positional based system. I'm sure even the old players are trying to adapt to changes being brought in by the new coaching staff.

This was always going to take time no matter who the coach / manager is. However I expect, these being top players, the adaptation period should be quicker.

We need to judge after 10 games at leaast to truly see where we are at.
 
This is a new team with new players trying to integrate into a complex positional based system. I'm sure even the old players are trying to adapt to changes being brought in by the new coaching staff.

This was always going to take time no matter who the coach / manager is. However I expect, these being top players, the adaptation period should be quicker.

We need to judge after 10 games at leaast to truly see where we are at.

Oh ffs don't come on here talking sense !
 
Prime Walker was the most important player of Pep's time here. We won nothing before and our decline correlates well with Kyle's legs going.
With him in the team, break aways were snuffed out before they'd even touched the ball in our half. Kyle was always there first, took possession and kept us up the pitch. Now we are constantly exposed with our fullbacks both inverted and nowhere to be seen and the Cbs running back as if they're in a dream.

Not directly replacing that get out of jail card that he constantly was is borderline moronic. Also, not giving a chance to the lad you have warming the bench that could offer that counter resistance is almost as bad.

Would love to hear his thought process behind this. Because imo, we don't get better again under Pep, until this problem is addressed.
Except that's all a bit bolloxy.
During the 4 in a row, he played 103 league games, so less than 26 a season, on average. Given that he played 32 in the 4th of those title wins, his average appearances drop to 23 for the '3 in a row'.
The 2 seasons before that, he played 44 games, thus averaging 22 games.

So, with all due respect, he cannot have been vital to everything we did given that over those 4 seasons he missed 32% of the matches, for the 3 seasons before that he missed 38% of league games and, for the 2 seasons before that, he missed 42% of league games...
 
True, changing one of the most successful managers because some expect the title every season and have inflated expectations might lead us there.

There's no chance of Pep doing a Wenger. If he doesn't win the title this or next season, I think he will leave.

I don't think anyone expects us to win the title every year until the end of time. I don't think it's too entitled to expect us to stop conceding the same fucking goal every week for 18 months or to question how we spend half a billion and end up with 7 number 10s and 1 full back in the squad.
 
Sense because you agree with it. I do agree time is needed but to ignore the obvious failings is purely ignorant
Whilst I agree that there have been collective failings at all levels and that Pep's tactics maybe don't have the huge advantage that they once had.

I'm not too sure that these failings are as obvious as you suggest. Pep is not infallible but some of these players have to take responsibility and play better. Win their duels, make better in-game decisions, strike up understanding between themselves..
 
Sense because you agree with it. I do agree time is needed but to ignore the obvious failings is purely ignorant

Well I don't agree with several posters on a number of things and I question their motives if that's what you mean.

Obvious failings to one person can mean a totally different thing to another - so opinions once again.

Unless you see it differently ?
 
Well I don't agree with several posters on a number of things and I question their motives if that's what you mean.

Obvious failings to one person can mean a totally different thing to another - so opinions once again.

Unless you see it differently ?
What are their motives though? We all see things differently but I would say we all want City to be exciting and successful no? We all can point out worries and concerns surely?

Whilst I agree that there have been collective failings at all levels and that Pep's tactics maybe don't have the huge advantage that they once had.

I'm not too sure that these failings are as obvious as you suggest. Pep is not infallible but some of these players have to take responsibility and play better. Win their duels, make better in-game decisions, strike up understanding between themselves..
The failings are repeating the same mistakes, keep playing a high line with slow defenders then you will continue to be punished by the same goals being conceded. Keep playing a right back who is not at the level required and you will keep being punished. The obvious things to the peasants like us. The players do need to be held to account but for someone like Rico, he isn't good enough so it is down to the manager to keep playing him. Like last season, it was clear some players were done and not up to speed but they kept getting minutes whilst others didn't. All of our success was down to Pep, it is only fair that he is accountable the other way round.
 
What are their motives though? We all see things differently but I would say we all want City to be exciting and successful no? We all can point out worries and concerns surely?


The failings are repeating the same mistakes, keep playing a high line with slow defenders then you will continue to be punished by the same goals being conceded. Keep playing a right back who is not at the level required and you will keep being punished. The obvious things to the peasants like us. The players do need to be held to account but for someone like Rico, he isn't good enough so it is down to the manager to keep playing him. Like last season, it was clear some players were done and not up to speed but they kept getting minutes whilst others didn't. All of our success was down to Pep, it is only fair that he is accountable the other way round.

Everybody has the right to their opinion - whether others agree with it or not - no argument.

I do not always believe in team selections, player choice etc. I don't choose to come on here with the regularity that others do, or only when the team looses for instance. The latter are the type of posters I find most issue with, together with those whose aims are clearly disingenuous imo.

I believe Pep is at fault for using Rico Lewis as a fullback as I don't believe him capable of carrying out the role, albeit he appears better when used elsewhere.

And Lewis doesn't pick himself so there is nobody but the manager or others to blame.
 
Everybody has the right to their opinion - whether others agree with it or not - no argument.

I do not always believe in team selections, player choice etc. I don't choose to come on here with the regularity that others do, or only when the team looses for instance. The latter are the type of posters I find most issue with, together with those whose aims are clearly disingenuous imo.

I believe Pep is at fault for using Rico Lewis as a fullback as I don't believe him capable of carrying out the role, albeit he appears better when used elsewhere.

And Lewis doesn't pick himself so there is nobody but the manager or others to blame.
But what happens on here is often when someone doesn't agree with someone speaking out, they aren't a City fan or anything else levelled at them. Just because they may call City out more than themselves.

I am quite negative, don't ask me why, it is in my nature and if I was to be anything else it would be false. That doesn't mean I want us to fail or play badly, it means I will call it out when it happens whilst posting what I believe to be wrong. This is a football forum, a City football forum. I think this is forgotten by many at times. There never is boos or negativity in the stands that transpires to the pitch. The team and manager are fully supported no matter the result or performance. Do you not think that people then choose to vent and complain on here as a source of release? In the comfort of fellow blues rather than giving the players shit in the stands? I would rather it be that way round.

I'm not happy about many things, Saturday pissed me off royally and I vented on here. I am off to Brighton Sunday. Doing that horrible journey by coach with work the next day where I will cheer the boys on no matter what. If they play like shite again I will be here Monday morning saying so : )
 
I don't think anyone expects us to win the title every year until the end of time. I don't think it's too entitled to expect us to stop conceding the same fucking goal every week for 18 months or to question how we spend half a billion and end up with 7 number 10s and 1 full back in the squad.

18 months? Since late February, 2024? 7 number 10s?

When one needs to exaggerate to make a point, chances are he makes a shit point.

You are free to moan as much as you want. It's perfectly normal that we have had problems in the last 10 months or so. A significant part of the Treble team needs replacing, which is happening. Rebuilding means inconsistency. We'll have problems. It's not easy to build a new team. Ask Chelsea or United who have spent more than us.
 
But what happens on here is often when someone doesn't agree with someone speaking out, they aren't a City fan or anything else levelled at them. Just because they may call City out more than themselves.

I am quite negative, don't ask me why, it is in my nature and if I was to be anything else it would be false. That doesn't mean I want us to fail or play badly, it means I will call it out when it happens whilst posting what I believe to be wrong. This is a football forum, a City football forum. I think this is forgotten by many at times. There never is boos or negativity in the stands that transpires to the pitch. The team and manager are fully supported no matter the result or performance. Do you not think that people then choose to vent and complain on here as a source of release? In the comfort of fellow blues rather than giving the players shit in the stands? I would rather it be that way round.

I'm not happy about many things, Saturday pissed me off royally and I vented on here. I am off to Brighton Sunday. Doing that horrible journey by coach with work the next day where I will cheer the boys on no matter what. If they play like shite again I will be here Monday morning saying so : )

As is your right - no issues there.

And good for you for making the journey with everything which it entails - it's a commitment which I appreciate as I am not able to do anymore.

I hope the team plays well and wins to make your trip even more satisfying.
 
He needs replacing with this guy ;)

4-4-2, nobody stepping into midfield to create an overload, just direct, long ball to big Erl, get Marmoush running in behind for a flick on & we’ll be winning everything again m this season

No idea why Pep can’t see this, the useless ****:……..

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