Will we win the league this season?

We’re just so far away from doing what Liverpool have just done.

They were at home in a big game, the opposition looked the better of the 2 teams in possession, the consensus at half time was that Liverpool were there for the taking.. then they just won 1-0 without really doing anything. Can’t remember a time we’ve ever done that.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Was Sterling world class when he got here?
Was Sane world class when he got here?
Was Jesus world class when he got here?
Was Mahrez world class when he got here?

It took a season for them all to gel.. our truly world class players from the start were Kun Aguero, KDB, Dias and Erling Haaland. Omar/ Julian were/ are really close but I'm not saying world class YET!
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Sterling and Mahrez had shown world class moments previously.

Our signings this summer dont seem as good.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Was Sterling world class when he got here?
Was Sane world class when he got here?
Was Jesus world class when he got here?
Was Mahrez world class when he got here?

It took a season for them all to gel.. our truly world class players from the start were Kun Aguero, KDB, Dias and Erling Haaland. Omar/ Julian were/ are really close but I'm not saying world class YET!
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Most of the teams that have won us leagues you could say weren’t built on ready made world class players.

A young Joe hart, zaba, Kompany, Barry and others weren’t considered world class. Players like David silva had massive potential when we signed him, but wasn’t a proven winner at the time.

People have lost all sense of patience and want instant results and lose the plot when we don’t win the league every year
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Most of the teams that have won us leagues you could say weren’t built on ready made world class players.

A young Joe hart, zaba, Kompany, Barry and others weren’t considered world class. Players like David silva had massive potential when we signed him, but wasn’t a proven winner at the time.

People have lost all sense of patience and want instant results and lose the plot when we don’t win the league every year
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Barry was premier league proven, Silva played champions league and for Spain. Balanced with players of potential. We no longer sign proven players who can come in and impact straight away we gamble on unproven players. The decision making in the transfer market over the last 3 years has been scandalous.
 
Tier2Blue said:
Barry was premier league proven, Silva played champions league and for Spain. Balanced with players of potential. We no longer sign proven players who can come in and impact straight away we gamble on unproven players. The decision making in the transfer market over the last 3 years has been scandalous.
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Barry and silva were not proven at the highest level at all - winning league titles. Similar with players like Stones, who’s gone onto to become a great. We’ve spent huge amount of money on players like Marmoush, Reijnders and Gvardiol - all of them showed great form in their respective league.

Other than Haaland recently we often do not sign world class players. Players with world class potential sure.
 
If people honestly believe we'll pull back 6 points on the dips over the remainder of the season, I strongly advise you to get down to your local "turf accountant", and stick a grand on us......

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7/1. Not bad odds, that.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Barry and silva were not proven at the highest level at all - winning league titles. Similar with players like Stones, who’s gone onto to become a great. We’ve spent huge amount of money on players like Marmoush, Reijnders and Gvardiol - all of them showed great form in their respective league.

Other than Haaland recently we often do not sign world class players. Players with world class potential sure.
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Hadnt Silva won the World Cup and the euros before he joined? Barry was a seasoned premier league performer who could come and impact immediately. We haven’t signed enough of these players in recent years. We are forever waiting for signings to come good and sadly they aren’t.
 
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We should just drop all of our wingers and use our wing-backs. I can’t see how we can play with two CBs without a proper right back. Walker can play both inside and outside. So without a proper left-back, we were able to managed.
 
Tier2Blue said:
Hadnt Silva won the World Cup and the euros before he joined? Barry was a seasoned premier league performer who could come and impact immediately. We haven’t signed enough of these players in recent years. We are forever waiting for signings to come good and sadly they aren’t.
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The other point which isn’t being mentioned, is the league today is way more competitive than it was when they signed. All premier league clubs have upped their game with good signings. We’re getting left behind on recruitment.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
To be fair most teams in football don’t win back to back titles. What we did with four in a row was a one off in my opinion
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Liverpool in their pomp won three in a row, and five out of six seasons, from 1979 to 1984. United in their pomp won three in a row and four out of five, from 1999 to 2003 (they did three in a row again in the noughties). Before the war, Huddersfield Town did three in a row, as did Arsenal.
No-one will do four in a row. We won't see it again.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Most of the teams that have won us leagues you could say weren’t built on ready made world class players.

A young Joe hart, zaba, Kompany, Barry and others weren’t considered world class. Players like David silva had massive potential when we signed him, but wasn’t a proven winner at the time.

People have lost all sense of patience and want instant results and lose the plot when we don’t win the league every year
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A lot of great teams are built over years.

We ended up with the greatest domestic team ever seen by 2019, but that started being built eleven years before then: 2008 Kompany, 2010 DSilva, 2011 Agüero, 2013 Fernandinho, 2015 DeBruyne Otamendi and Sterling, 2016 Gündoğan Stones Sané and Jesus, 2017 Ederson BSilva Walker and Laporte, 2018 Mahrez… in that time we also signed loads of average players and even complete dross in some cases.

Take it down a level in quality to our 2012 title winning team, and that still took four years to build: 2008 Kompany Zabaleta and DeJong, 2009 Tevez Lescott and Barry, 2010 Džeko Yaya DSilva Balotelli Kolarov and Milner, 2011 Agüero Nasri and Clichy… again, with some poor players also coming in along the way.

Currently, sixteen of our squad have been here three years or fewer. By next Summer only about half a dozen players in our entire squad will have been here long enough to have won anything with us, with Trafford Khusanov O’Reilly Nico Cherki Savinho Bobb Marmoush Reis Bah Nypan Ecehverri and any new signings having never won a thing with us and our last trophy was only 15 months ago.

It could be another two Transfer Windows before we get all the older players out and sign a good balance of players so we have two good players in each position. Even then, we’ll have a very young squad with little experience of winning trophies, and could need further years of making good individual signings here and there (like those seen above^) before we get back to being something special.

People expecting instant quality as soon as players put on the shirt is comical. It’s unrealistic video game stuff.

Two of our greatest ever players never even played a decent game for us until the colder darker months in their first season - DSilva away Blackpool in the October, even then he was a substitute coming on late in that game; and Yaya away at West Ham in the December. Before then neither of them had really done anything in a City shirt. DSilva finished that season with 14 assists in all competitions, Savinho got 13 last season and he was four years younger than DSilva was in his first season with us.

Yet people are expecting players who’ve barely played anything between 3-12 games for us to be pulling up trees or expecting 20 year olds to be the finished article.

Patience, perspective and realism needs to come back into our fanbase. We could be a fair few years away from being back at the top.

Nobody has found out new ways play against Pep’s tactics anymore than they already knew how to nullify them in the Winter of 2016-17. From October to the end of January that season, we struggled. We only won 7 out of 16 PL games with heavy defeats against Chelsea (1-3), Leicester (4-2) and Everton (4-0). We were easily combatted and clueless in a lot of games in that run because there’s always been a way to play against Pep’s style of football.

But when players get up to the required fitness and workrate levels, matched with quality, that’s when Pep’s tactics come to the fore.

We don’t have top end elite quality of a good age range anymore outside Gvardiol Rodri Foden and Haaland. But some of these younger lads could easily get to that level and there may be some great signings along the way in future Transfer Windows to make us better still.
 
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Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Liverpool in their pomp won three in a row, and five out of six seasons, from 1979 to 1984. United in their pomp won three in a row and four out of five, from 1999 to 2003 (they did three in a row again in the noughties). Before the war, Huddersfield Town did three in a row, as did Arsenal.
No-one will do four in a row. We won't see it again.
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TBH I could see Liverpool surpassing this. They cruised last year and if Arsenal arn't on it they'll do the same this season. And if they get Isak then the chances are even greater. Still a realtively young squad apart from VD. We're probably entering another era of dipper dominance unfortunately.
 
citymad said:
TBH I could see Liverpool surpassing this. They cruised last year and if Arsenal arn't on it they'll do the same this season. And if they get Isak then the chances are even greater. Still a realtively young squad apart from VD. We're probably entering another era of dipper dominance unfortunately.
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Arsenal are a bit pathetic to be honest. They have actually become the same underachieving side that Spurs were when they came third in a two horse race when Leicester won the league.
 
I do think there has been too much change, we’ve lost genuine leaders, world class players through either form, injuries or age.

We’ve lost players like walker and KDB - world class talent, players like Alvarez and palmer who would walk into our side and we’ve lost players like Rodri and foden through injury.

The level of quality in our side has decreased since the treble.
 
We ain’t good enough.

The club needs to do better and learn from this period. We have handed over the league to the dips.

Our time has come and gone.
 
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