What has the UK become under the far right influence?

meltonblue said:
I think this is indicative of the challenges around the political debate right now. Everything is being pushed to be so binary with it phrased as a them and us, when in reality outside of social media echo chambers (which is still where most people I know at least reside), opinions aren’t so easy to pigeon hole, they vary across topics. Nor are the validity of those opinions perceived to be the same.

That does seem to be changing quickly for a lot of people though and I do worry that by the time we get to the next election as the online world and debate continues to dominate, we are pretty much going to be America.
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From my vantage point it seems the fabric of our society is being torn apart by the global capitalist exploitation of technological change and the resurgence of fascist ideologies exploiting the fear of mass economic migration it has enabled.
Might is right, there is rapidly becoming no other morality in post Christian Britain.
 
johnny crossan said:
From my vantage point it seems the fabric of our society is being torn apart by the global capitalist exploitation of technological change and the resurgence of fascist ideologies exploiting the fear of mass economic migration it has enabled.
Might is right, there is rapidly becoming no other morality in post Christian Britain.
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I wouldn’t disagree with your first paragraph there.
 
blueinsa said:
Nah I’m relaxing with the family, going to enjoy a nice roast for lunch and then get my mind ready for another 50 hour week starting tomorrow.

Much like the vast majority I’d wager.
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Luxury 50 hours I wish, course 3 months or so graft for nothing to keep the shit show going.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Oh! I'm terribly sorry if I won't give you the answer you want in terms you can understand.

I'm bored now. Go away, you're making yourself look silly.
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You haven't given a reason...your reasons are bullshit. It's clear that you belong outside of hotels shouting at asylum seekers to go home. You've offered nothing but crap excuses. You're simply another knuckle dragger and dishonest about it.
I've exposed you for what you really are.
 
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Gorton_Tubster said:
Last night i was watching one of those videos of someone walking around foreign Citys. It was sezchuan, and a couple other in China and my god the difference was stark. They had all the glitz of our City centres, the shopping experience, the bustle of City life kids running around, familiesdoing stuff.... But no crime, no druggies, no sirens and police. No whole- neighbourhoods lost to drugs. Just people shopping with their kids safely.

Is democracy failing? I mean we have all the freedoms but really what have we done with it? And is ours a democracy anyway! (when you can get arrested for saying the wrong thing, or when we are banned by our govn from saying things they dont like)

I might be nieve but seemed to me like China have a decent society compared to the western style of doing things. I know they are oppressive, and I was expecting something like n Korea, but if society works does it matter what sort of govn we have? I mean they've got to be better than Labour and Conservatives and Farage.

Righto, someone put me right.
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Any Uyghurs on here want to validate this?
 
If I was against immigration or just believed I had legitimate concerns about it, when asked to give reasons, I'd HAVE the reasons ready. I'd be able to list reasons. I'd be happy to give those reasons.
 
The perfect fumble: "We have legitimate reasons to be concerned about immigration"
People: "what are those concerns"
fumble: "go away, you don't understand".

In other words: "I have no legitimate concerns...I just don't like seeing people that are not my own kind in this country".
 
blueinsa said:
Nah I’m relaxing with the family, going to enjoy a nice roast for lunch and then get my mind ready for another 50 hour week starting tomorrow.

Much like the vast majority I’d wager.
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Same here but it was you who started talking about them and us.
 
meltonblue said:
I agree with might is right, just not that it’s anything to do with post Christian Britain, it’s always been the case, it just changes as to who has it.
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There we must disagree, the nihilist world view depicted on that book cover animated the rise of the Nazis and continues in their current iterations. Its tenets are presented as the polar opposite of Christian culture -
  • The individual above all else: It argues that the self is paramount, and any means of advancing the self is justified.
  • Rejection of natural rights: The book dismisses the concept of universal human rights, arguing that the only authority comes from physical power and force.
  • Glorification of strength: It promotes the survival of the strong and argues that the weak should be dominated or perish.
  • Contempt for weakness and obedience: The text frames obedience as a sign of degradation and disobedience as a characteristic of a hero.
  • Comparison to animal nature: The book states that humans are no different from animals and are subject to the same "law of tooth and claw".
  • Central arguments taken from Nietzsche, who understood nihilism as a pervasive cultural trend in which people lose the values and ideals guiding their lives as a result of secularization.
 
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I'll brave the "cool story" snipes but I was on a bus a couple of days ago and earwigging a conversation from two seats behind me.

The guy was doing a sort of travel commentary ("all buses were red apart from some north of Manchester which were green" - though I'd have expected anyone that old to know that was Manchester Corporation buses and Salford City buses). Then we passed a road with St George's flags from lampposts and it then became a bit of to and fro about whether these were patriotic or had racist overtones. He moved on to immigrants getting put up in luxury hotels and being given phones. The woman suddenly said, "Why are we discussing this?" and he said "Because we're British".

Eventually I looked back and the woman, younger than he, was Asian (possibly Japanese or Korean or a Hong Konger. I hadn't detected it from her voice / accent. And they were not a couple as it seemed she was going to a college and if she was accepted on the course she'd be moving out. I've no idea what the arrangement was - just a lodger maybe - but then it was back to the historic travelogue, and Chester Road roundabout where "there used to be a flyover here; it was narrow and could be windy on top".

It was odd and felt incongruous, even if she was a British citizen. I did resist the temptation to join the conversation, though his not knowing about the pre-SELNEC bus liveries nearly got me involved.
 
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