How good was Yaya?!

[decmancity]

Lack of Drive ?
Are you serious?
Born in Africa,off to Greece,lasted the Russian winter longer than Hitler,
Took the time to learn at least 6 languages smashes France,joins The biggest team on the planet Barcelona .,.....
This is what he said about Barca back in Oct 2021:

"My time at FC Barcelona was one of my best memories of my playing career
The club decided to trust me when I was still a young player, yet to establish myself in the top leagues..I'll be forever grateful to the club for what they have done for me"

After Barcelona winning titles and champions league..he decides to leave Messi etc and accept a new challenge in rainy Manchester helping us become the dominant force in Manchester and England..

Which part of the aforementioned indicates lack of Drive pal ?

Take a look at yourself in the mirror, see what you have achieved in your chosen profession
See how that matches compares with Gnegneri Yaya Toure..

Lack of Drive ? He virtually drove us to our first trophy for decades before winning the league
And is a global Superstar ...maybe you prefer Paul scholes career,roll out of his Oldham bed into the utd youth team play a few matches in one country and retire.no other languages learnt


Have a word with yourself.

Yaya Toure an ambassador of World Football.

What you saying ?

You’re responding to a rag using ChatGPT mate. Don’t waste your time

 

[VinceYoungisaBLUE]

Lack of Drive ?
Are you serious?
Born in Africa,off to Greece,lasted the Russian winter longer than Hitler,
Took the time to learn at least 6 languages smashes France,joins The biggest team on the planet Barcelona .,.....
This is what he said about Barca back in Oct 2021:

"My time at FC Barcelona was one of my best memories of my playing career
The club decided to trust me when I was still a young player, yet to establish myself in the top leagues..I'll be forever grateful to the club for what they have done for me"

After Barcelona winning titles and champions league..he decides to leave Messi etc and accept a new challenge in rainy Manchester helping us become the dominant force in Manchester and England..

Which part of the aforementioned indicates lack of Drive pal ?

Take a look at yourself in the mirror, see what you have achieved in your chosen profession
See how that matches compares with Gnegneri Yaya Toure..

Lack of Drive ? He virtually drove us to our first trophy for decades before winning the league
And is a global Superstar ...maybe you prefer Paul scholes career,roll out of his Oldham bed into the utd youth team play a few matches in one country and retire.no other languages learnt


Have a word with yourself.

Yaya Toure an ambassador of World Football.

What you saying ?

Great post. He gets far too much stick on here for his Pep comments; the guy was hurting and made a mistake, not a huge deal.

My personal favorite player!

 

[glyncity]

Those goals v Newcastle! Was listening on the radio as we were travelling and at that point I was confident we’d win the league. Then the goal v Villa. Just Wow! One of the greatest goals I’ve seen scored by anyone. Watched it over and over since.

That goal was unbelievable , I remember being sat in the East Stand around about where he started his run and I knew from that point he would go on and score , the shame is that half the north stand had left by then (as per usual)..the ones that stayed deservedly witnessed one of the greatest goals ever scored at the Etihad imo.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Lack of Drive ?
Are you serious?
Born in Africa,off to Greece,lasted the Russian winter longer than Hitler,
Took the time to learn at least 6 languages smashes France,joins The biggest team on the planet Barcelona .,.....
This is what he said about Barca back in Oct 2021:

"My time at FC Barcelona was one of my best memories of my playing career
The club decided to trust me when I was still a young player, yet to establish myself in the top leagues..I'll be forever grateful to the club for what they have done for me"

After Barcelona winning titles and champions league..he decides to leave Messi etc and accept a new challenge in rainy Manchester helping us become the dominant force in Manchester and England..

Which part of the aforementioned indicates lack of Drive pal ?

Take a look at yourself in the mirror, see what you have achieved in your chosen profession
See how that matches compares with Gnegneri Yaya Toure..

Lack of Drive ? He virtually drove us to our first trophy for decades before winning the league
And is a global Superstar ...maybe you prefer Paul scholes career,roll out of his Oldham bed into the utd youth team play a few matches in one country and retire.no other languages learnt


Have a word with yourself.

Yaya Toure an ambassador of World Football.

What you saying ?

Exceptional post. Take a bow!

 

[Lavinda Past]

You’re responding to a rag using ChatGPT mate. Don’t waste your time

Even ChatHPT isn't that fucking ignorant or stupid. It's just the ramblings of some bloke living in 'Murica.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Admittedly, the 4 in a row stars played in a better team. But the team was better partly because they were better players. The older stars were great in the PL, but they should have done better in Europe. The recent stars won more in England and were far better in Europe: partly because managed by Pep and partly because they were better players. Our fans are emotionally invested in the older legends for obvious reasons: they made City champions again, competing against Ferguson's United at that. That's fantastic. But those who made City the best team in the world, not only in England, the likes of KDB and Rodri, are at least as good.

".... the team was better partly because they were better players"

In my opinion, there hasn't been a better player in their position at City since the following were at their 'peak':

Yaya Toure
Vincent Kompany
Sergio Aguero
Carlos Tevez
David Silva
Raheem Sterling
Samir Nasri
Leroy Sane
Aleks Kolarov

Other than Haaland, Rodri, and De Bruyne, I'd say that we've never actually matched the quality of any of these players.

The 'four in a row' team had one major asset - Pep Guardiola's intensity. That last year of the four burned out most of his squad.

Yaya Toure was the King. Still is for me. The most complete footballer I've seen since Colin Bell.

 

[Columbia]

I’ve been watching city for over 40 years and Yaya gets in any team over that period. Big game player as well, so many important goals and changed our history in the semi final.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Even the way Ya Ya ran was like Colin. Both incredible box to box players. I saw most of Bell’s games at Maine Road live. Can’t split them rea

Must have been Fantastic to see that..
I've often wondered..back in the day...the plaudits given to Martin Peters of WHU
They used to say he played the game" ahead of his time" London media manu bollocks ?
I know he had the skill of ghosting into the box .with a late run from central midfield..
This was on the back of the old football cards..I used to collect as a kid..
But what about Bell? From your memory ,was the 1966 Colin Bell a finer player than Peters?
How much did the north / south divide affect the progress of our players...regards England selection...
I can only remember Peters playing for Norwich City..so I can't compare him to bell. But I doubt in seasons 67/68/69 Peters was playing a better game than Bell.

 

[normskih]

Lack of Drive ?
Are you serious?
Born in Africa,off to Greece,lasted the Russian winter longer than Hitler,
Took the time to learn at least 6 languages smashes France,joins The biggest team on the planet Barcelona .,.....
This is what he said about Barca back in Oct 2021:

"My time at FC Barcelona was one of my best memories of my playing career
The club decided to trust me when I was still a young player, yet to establish myself in the top leagues..I'll be forever grateful to the club for what they have done for me"

After Barcelona winning titles and champions league..he decides to leave Messi etc and accept a new challenge in rainy Manchester helping us become the dominant force in Manchester and England..

Which part of the aforementioned indicates lack of Drive pal ?

Take a look at yourself in the mirror, see what you have achieved in your chosen profession
See how that matches compares with Gnegneri Yaya Toure..

Lack of Drive ? He virtually drove us to our first trophy for decades before winning the league
And is a global Superstar ...maybe you prefer Paul scholes career,roll out of his Oldham bed into the utd youth team play a few matches in one country and retire.no other languages learnt


Have a word with yourself.

Yaya Toure an ambassador of World Football.

What you saying ?

Brilliant post.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

That goal was unbelievable , I remember being sat in the East Stand around about where he started his run and I knew from that point he would go on and score , the shame is that half the north stand had left by then (as per usual)..the ones that stayed deservedly witnessed one of the greatest goals ever scored at the Etihad imo.

I was in the south stand that night and remember him picking up the ball and the surge began,roared on behind him from the south stand...the way he deftly finished,after those lung busting runs should not be understated as well,it takes brilliant control and technique to compose yourself to decieve a premiership keeper after running 70 yards into the box.
Top Top player.

 

[normskih]

My favourite player from the post 2008 takeover. This video shows why and if at 0.44 seconds didn’t get you off your seat wherever you were sitting, I have no bloody idea what you want from a City player.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Must have been Fantastic to see that..
I've often wondered..back in the day...the plaudits given to Martin Peters of WHU
They used to say he played the game" ahead of his time" London media manu bollocks ?
I know he had the skill of ghosting into the box .with a late run from central midfield..
This was on the back of the old football cards..I used to collect as a kid..
But what about Bell? From your memory ,was the 1966 Colin Bell a finer player than Peters?
How much did the north / south divide affect the progress of our players...regards England selection...
I can only remember Peters playing for Norwich City..so I can't compare him to bell. But I doubt in seasons 67/68/69 Peters was playing a better game than Bell.

Peters was a typical Ramsey player. He'd play anywhere on the pitch and give a 6 or 7/10 performance every week.

Colin wasn't at Peters' level of experience in 1965/66, and wasn't anywhere near Alf's squad list for the WC at that time. The only thing Peters ever had over Colin was his age. He was there at the right time, with the right club, with Bobby Moore. He was a safe bet as a squad player for Ramsey.

In 1965/66, Colin was still a 2nd division player, untested at 'top' level. Lower division football was a desert as far as the national press was concerned, and very few 2nd division players ever got a mention. That changed over 66/67, as City got used to being back in the first division. I remember Colin Bell controlling play 'between the boxes' virtually single handed against top teams like Liverpool, Leeds and Spurs.

By the start of 67/68, everyone knew about Bell, Lee, Summerbee, and Alf Ramsey started to take interest. By the end of that season, we were possibly the best team in Europe, having put the rags back in their box.

I could go on for hours... to get back on topic, I can honestly say that the only player I've seen at City at least as good, (and probably better than during 2013/14) is Yaya Toure.

I doubt very much that I'll ever see a better player than 2014 Yaya at City in my lifetime. I'm just glad I was there to see both him and Colin Bell.

 

[Radcliffe 1309]

Answer.....extremely good !

 

[bondsman]

It's difficult the measure one's best, but if we go only by games against our biggest rivals in England and Europe, Bernardo is more impactful than both Yaya and Silva.

CL quarters and semis: Bernardo 5 goals, Yaya 0 goals, David 0 at City (1 at Valencia).

Anfield and Old Trafford: Bernardo 5, Yaya 2, David Silva 3

So, against the very best teams and at the most difficult grounds Bernardo has outperformed both Yaya and David Silva: as many goals at Anfield and OT as Yaya and David combined, and 5 times more goals in CL quarters and semis than Yaya and David combined.

If one measures the best in performances against the best teams or at the most difficult grounds, Bernardo is better than them both. Add to that that Bernardo's work rate off the ball is superior to theirs.

Even if Bernardo isn't better at his very best than them (because football is more than goals and working off the ball), he's much closer to them than many realise.

For me, If Pep is offered one from Bernardo (or Gundo) and Yaya, he goes with Bernardo every day of the week.

Maybe a thread is needed: how good was prime Bernardo?

Edit: KDB 9 (!) CL goals (quarters to final). No contest.

Prime Bernardo is a fantastic player that’s the only bit of your post I agree with though. I get you like stats but counting goals doesn’t really indicate the all round contribution a player makes otherwise we’d be arguing Haaland is our greatest ever player shortly and that’s far from true.

 

[alexmcity]

Prime Bernardo is a fantastic player that’s the only bit of your post I agree with though. I get you like stats but counting goals doesn’t really indicate the all round contribution a player makes otherwise we’d be arguing Haaland is our greatest ever player shortly and that’s far from true.

Bernardo's all round contribution is fantastic. His work rate is superior to any of the legends. Scoring goals is not something typical for him. Yet, in the biggest games, at the most difficult grounds, he *also* stands out in that respect.

In terms of European performances at City, Bernardo is a level above both David and Yaya. It's a fact, not a subjective impression or feeling. For example, from the 4 games against Bayern and Real in 2023, Bernardo was MOTM in 3. Yaya scored against Kyiv in a 1/16 game. That's it.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That's a brilliant bit of early 1970s football analysis.to be fair to Jimmy Hill....he knows the game.his comments on the particular technical attributes of Francis Henry Lee are of the highest order....and makes me feel I was born too late....I would have loved to be about in England supporting City and watching genuine balanced professional football analysis..as opposed to today's loud matey banter type screaming and shouting.
Football back tnen was a game.played on natural grass pitches,with open handed / even handed proper Journalism to back it up. It made for an invigorating mix
What's changed ?
Where did we go wrong.?

The TV coverage was a much higher standard than now. Lots of innovation and genuine expert analysis. Malcolm Allison and Brian Clough were fantastic entertainment. The pundits told you something you didn't know. It was a glorious era for football.

 

[bondsman]

Bernardo's all round contribution is fantastic. His work rate is superior to any of the legends. Scoring goals is not something typical for him. Yet, in the biggest games, at the most difficult grounds, he *also* stands out in that respect.

In terms of European performances at City, Bernardo is a level above both David and Yaya. It's a fact, not a subjective impression or feeling. For example, from the 4 games against Bayern and Real in 2023, Bernardo was MOTM in 3. Yaya scored against Kyiv in a 1/16 game. That's it.

MOTM is a subjective award mate. So you’re undermining your own argument there. Why is CL the barometer? Most teams in it have won fuck all.

 

[LongsightM13]

edited on request/risk of dropping a mate in it

 

[alexmcity]

Norm is a subjective award mate. So you’re undermining your own argument there. Why is CL the barometer? Most teams in it have won fuck all.

The CL, in the KO stages, is the best competition in terms of the quality of football. Dominating Real and dominating WBA or Stoke are completely different things.

I know some fans don't rate the CL. That's their choice. But that the best football is played in the KO stages of the CL, like in that 4:0 win vs Real (first two goals Bernardo), is pretty obvious.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Must have been Fantastic to see that..
I've often wondered..back in the day...the plaudits given to Martin Peters of WHU
They used to say he played the game" ahead of his time" London media manu bollocks ?
I know he had the skill of ghosting into the box .with a late run from central midfield..
This was on the back of the old football cards..I used to collect as a kid..
But what about Bell? From your memory ,was the 1966 Colin Bell a finer player than Peters?
How much did the north / south divide affect the progress of our players...regards England selection...
I can only remember Peters playing for Norwich City..so I can't compare him to bell. But I doubt in seasons 67/68/69 Peters was playing a better game than Bell.

Bell was in a different league to Peters. Better in all areas. Peters was a clever player though and did find space on the pitch easily. In that regard he was similar to Frank Lampard (who was also better than Peters). In 68,69. and 70 Bell was easily one the best players in World Football. But he was quiet and shy and didn't push himself forward. He just did his talking on the pitch. He had a similar humble manner to David Silva who, of course, was a totally different player. Colin barely celebrated his goals. He often just walked calmly back to the half-way line ready for the re-take. I loved the way he did that. It must have intimidated our opponents. He made it look so easy. There was a very strong Southern bias in the media, especially the tabloids and it was harder for northern players to win England caps.. To be fair United were the first northern club to break the media mould. They were helped by George Best and the fact that, even in those days, they had a lot of London-based fans.