Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

I'm With Stupid said:
The Ukrainian girl's murder? I haven't actually seen it, just going off people's descriptions on here. But the point I was making was more that high levels of homicide are often down to wider criminal activity and organized crime, so your average person probably feels like if they're not involved in that world, it doesn't really affect them (even though sometimes it does).
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I was commentating on Kirk's murder.

The Ukraine girl, I don't know what happened so I can't comment.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Forget Charlie Kirk for a moment and just focus on the fact that the current POTUS has ordered all flags in the USA to be lowered to half staff for a period of respect for the death of an extreme right wing, racist, social commentator and podcaster just because he said nice things about him, and realised just how fucking insane that is.
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More like, the leader of the free world, is honouring his friend with a genuine nice gesture. The man was gunned down in front of his wife and children, only a nasty, vile, evil half wit would even condone or not feel sympathy for what's happened, obviously your slightly insane yourself.
 
liveandletdive said:
More like, the leader of the free world, is honouring his friend with a genuine nice gesture. The man was gunned down in front of his wife and children, only a nasty, vile, evil half wit would even condone or not feel sympathy for what's happened, obviously your slightly insane yourself.
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As said above.

SWP's back said:
I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.
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Sure you would agree when Charlie was punching down on minorities and LGBTQ+ - I don't do grief porn for 'famous' people, I'm afraid, especially one with facistic tendencies and opinions, so stop insulting people for having an opinion and get over yourself.
 
liveandletdive said:
More like, the leader of the free world, is honouring his friend with a genuine nice gesture. The man was gunned down in front of his wife and children, only a nasty, vile, evil half wit would even condone or not feel sympathy for what's happened, obviously your slightly insane yourself.
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I've been following Trump's antics for years. That's horse shit, and you know it. On the face of it, it seems like a nice gesture, but his call for flags to be lowered is 100% transactional, calculated to elicit a response from both side. I condone violence of any kind, and I have sympathy for anyone effected by this senseless act.

This is precisely the catalyst Trump has be waiting for. He's spent years stirring up hatred on the left whilst stoking the fires on the right and waiting for it to explode. Well here we are.
 
I do not know this man, so I will not speak of him. I feel for a family who have lost a loved one - my family knows the utter devastation of that.

The polarisation of society will have deadly consequences, especially where there is free availability of firearms. Donald Trump may now mourn the death of his friend, but he has blood on his own hands here, metaphorically speaking. I would not be surprised to see him use his friend's death to further divide society and to further deflect from the accusations against him. His abuse of his position is spectacularly shameful and will result in very serious consequences.
 
Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
Sure you would agree when Charlie was punching down on minorities and LGBTQ+ - I don't do grief porn for 'famous' people, I'm afraid, especially one with facistic tendencies and opinions, so stop insulting people for having an opinion and get over yourself.
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The comment from @SWP's back is a direct quote from Kirk himself.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Ah, the "just keep it private" solution. Stay in the closet. Don't draw that cartoon in case some terrorists try to murder you. The reality is that he probably didn't fear for his life, because he rather reasonably thought he lived in a country where you could publicly express your views without risk of murder. Turns out that was a naive assumption, and you're right that Trump and his cronies share a lot of the blame for making it that way, but let's not pretend "you don't have to say anything" is a valid solution to threats of political violence.
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It’s not a “solution” — it’s a CHOICE. And I didn’t say Trump and his cronies deserve a lot of the blame. Unless Kirk was a complete moron, he knew what he said offended a lot of people. It also resonated with a lot of people. When you make that the near be-all, end-all of your existence, then the potential outcome set expands to extreme ends, including adulation, fame, influence, and lots of money, and, on the other hand, violence.

I am not saying it’s right — what happened to him or that the risk expands when you speak publicly. I’m saying it’s simple reality. Which it is.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie sanders get assassinated for speaking publicly about Gaza and against the Isreal government. The killer then gives the reason of doing it because he didn’t like their views.

Should they have not spoken in public then and kept their view private?

Do you see how what your saying makes zero sense.
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Do you think public people know the risks of stating their views publicly — yes or no?

This isn’t a question of whether there SHOULD be a risk — it’s a question of IS there a risk or not.

What I’m saying makes absolute sense because I am speaking in facts. There IS a risk. What you CHOOSE to do knowing that risk is on you.

Is that right or fair? No. But it’s a risk nonetheless.
 
Kirk posted on Instagram in March 2024 that "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality." Alongside this statement, Kirk shared a screenshot from a Fox News story headline that read; "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states. After Elon Musk was widely criticized for endorsing an antisemitic post that referenced the Great Replacement Theory and blamed "Jewish communities" for supporting mass migration, Kirk defended Musk, stating that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

If this isn't Nazi or Nazi adjacent what is it , Mr Trump ??

No one's talking about the incitement to murder made by the orange freak over the years and he goes on as if he's blameless the crybaby little coward.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
It's the same argument used against the Palestine Action proscription protests. "They know they run the risk of arrest, so they shouldn't protest". Nonsense there and nonsense here.
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No, like the others, you don’t appear to be able to read.

I never said he, she, they or anyone else “shouldn’t” do anything. Speaking publicly brings possible risk and possible reward — it’s a simple fact. Period.

Should it? No. Can it? Yes. Knowing that, you then make the choice.
 
I understand a lot of people overseas won't fully understand the context, but Charlie Kirk wasn't really a political operator and it would shock me if politics was the reason he was shot. He was a bigot and a provocateur, and an advocate for easy availability of guns. I guess he assumed others would bear the consequences of his decision to devote his life to stirring up hatred and anger in a country where any nut can buy a gun thanks to his side of the aisle, but he was wrong.

There's also a good chance this was done by someone farther right than him or some random crank rather than a "radical leftist" and the issue will just get buried to avoid complicating life for the GOP.
 
Strange how quickly the guy detained was released, for the only suspect it just seems odd. Surely they must have witnesses.
 
WT86 said:
I understand a lot of people overseas won't fully understand the context, but Charlie Kirk wasn't really a political operator and it would shock me if politics was the reason he was shot. He was a bigot and a provocateur, and an advocate for easy availability of guns. I guess he assumed others would bear the consequences of his decision to devote his life to stirring up hatred and anger in a country where any nut can buy a gun thanks to his side of the aisle, but he was wrong.

There's also a good chance this was done by someone farther right than him or some random crank rather than a "radical leftist" and the issue will just get buried to avoid complicating life for the GOP.
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I was just going to write (yet again) — no one should be drawing conclusions about motive yet. If it turns out some Nick Fuentes disciple did this, or a John Hinckley-type (look it up, people), things are gonna get more complicated. Personally I doubt it, but it’s a possibility.
 
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Wake up to see it being blamed on either the woke left, or mossad, really social media is not a help in any situation any more.
 
SWP's back said:
I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.
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Empathy isn’t some fluffy woke term. It’s a fundamental human skill, especially in any profession ie medical profession where you deal with people, pain, or vulnerability.
It's not about being soft or indulgent, it's about being able to understand another person’s experience well enough to respond appropriately and ethically.
 
Snape said:
Empathy isn’t some fluffy woke term. It’s a fundamental human skill, especially in any profession ie medical profession where you deal with people, pain, or vulnerability.
It's not about being soft or indulgent, it's about being able to understand another person’s experience well enough to respond appropriately and ethically.
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Oh ffs.
uk.news.yahoo.com

Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said empathy was 'made-up, new age term'

The authentic quote from the CEO and co-founder of Turning Point USA circulated online following his fatal shooting on Sept. 10, 2025.
uk.news.yahoo.com uk.news.yahoo.com
 
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