Rock Evolution – The History of Rock & Roll - 1984 - (page 198)

Played bass on Roxy Music track on Flesh and Blood album, Adam Ants Prince Charming and in Hazel O’Connors band in the film Breaking Glass produced by Dodi Fayed.

Do I get my £5 pounds Spires ?

You certainly do (or at least a pint at the next meet up!).

Though Tibbs only played on one track, he was Roxy's regular live bassist for that period. He's famously (or infamously depending on your view of the song) name checked along with the rest of the Ants on Ant Rap.

The bit I didn't think anyone would remember or get was his role as Dave the bass player in Breaking Glass, which as you say was produced by the late Fayed.
 
I liked The Teardrop Explodes back in the day until Julian Cope went totally bonkers.

TREASON
For some reason I’ve never got my head around Teardrop Explodes being one of the support bands when Queen did their big open air gig at Milton Keynes bowl in 1982.
The other supports were Heart and Joan Jett.
I just remember the trumpet player in TE had his leg in a plaster cast so he couldn’t move very well. His bald bonce made a target for the rock fans and their plastic bottles.
Funny at the time but…….
 
Played bass on Roxy Music track on Flesh and Blood album, Adam Ants Prince Charming and in Hazel O’Connors band in the film Breaking Glass produced by Dodi Fayed.

Do I get my £5 pounds Spires ?
wow. I fed that into AI and it came up with a completely different answer but I believe yours. Very impresive.
 
You certainly do (or at least a pint at the next meet up!).

Though Tibbs only played on one track, he was Roxy's regular live bassist for that period. He's famously (or infamously depending on your view of the song) name checked along with the rest of the Ants on Ant Rap.

The bit I didn't think anyone would remember or get was his role as Dave the bass player in Breaking Glass, which as you say was produced by the late Fayed.
I fed it into AI and it believes Dodi Fayed's production company was involved with the PR and some of the material for Flesh and Blood and Ants. I think its making that up as it goes along.
 
So my final pick is from my favourite album of 1980 and the one I personally consider to be the best. If 1980 was a year of uncertainty, recession, cold war dread and the clash between the optimism of new technological possibilities and the unease of what was happening in the here and now, then Joy Division’s Closer was the album that gave voice to this and channelled that uncertainty. The excess has gone, to be replaced by an austere, anxious, alienated sound; the warm joy and comfort of 1970s rock excess replaced by an icy unease. But, if that was all it was it would surely have been too alienating, too austere. The genius of Closer was that it acknowledged that things were very far from alright but at the same time defied you not to move your arse to its many strangely danceable songs. Ian Curtis’s lyrics derived much from JG Ballard as evidenced by the opening track Atrocity Exhibition, but it’s not just Curtis’s combination of disturbing lyrics and plaintive delivery. The music developed by the band in what were essentially jam sessions and Martin Hannett’s meticulous production are all integral to the sound and when combined together create something very modern, almost minimalist and very distinctly European in comparison to much of rocks American roots. Curtis didn’t live to see the album released and the closing track Decades remains to this day a heartrending way for him to have signed off. Though not my favourite track from the album Isolation encapsulates the strange mixture of dislocation and danceability.
#10 Joy Division – Isolation.
I am surprised that you were the only one to cover this album or say much about it in what is a history of music thread. Given its iconic nature and the influence it had on so many bands and the Manchester music scene I thought this thread would be all over it. Maybe in our thirst for 10 hour playlists and American AOR we sometimes lose sight of what is really pivotal, music that acts as a catalyst for change.

For me there are few bands that could turn emotion and profundity into music like Joy Division could. You mentioned Hannett's production as an integral element of the album and I completely agree. He gives every synth and drum beat space to breath. I also believe the album and its production were hugely influential in shaping the Manchester music explosion and its most important bands.

Its an album that I have to be in the right mood to listen to and not one that I play often but that does not diminish its cold, ethereal beauty (and that includes the synths) ;-)

RIP Ian Curtis who died 18th May 1980.
 
I am surprised that you were the only one to cover this album or say much about it in what is a history of music thread. Given its iconic nature and the influence it had on so many bands and the Manchester music scene I thought this thread would be all over it. Maybe in our thirst for 10 hour playlists and American AOR we sometimes lose sight of what is really pivotal, music that acts as a catalyst for change.

For me there are few bands that could turn emotion and profundity into music like Joy Division could. You mentioned Hannett's production as an integral element of the album and I completely agree. He gives every synth and drum beat space to breath. I also believe the album and its production were hugely influential in shaping the Manchester music explosion and its most important bands.

Its an album that I have to be in the right mood to listen to and not one that I play often but that does not diminish its cold, ethereal beauty (and that includes the synths) ;-)

RIP Ian Curtis who died 18th May 1980.
'Closer' does not sound 45 years old. It feels like it could have been released yesterday. '24 Hours' is my favourite track.
 
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You certainly do (or at least a pint at the next meet up!).

Though Tibbs only played on one track, he was Roxy's regular live bassist for that period. He's famously (or infamously depending on your view of the song) name checked along with the rest of the Ants on Ant Rap.

The bit I didn't think anyone would remember or get was his role as Dave the bass player in Breaking Glass, which as you say was produced by the late Fayed.
In fairness my friend google helped, I already knew Gary Tibbs was the bass player for RM on a track on that album and then joined the dots.
 
Allied Stars?

Sorry, I meant to say you were part way there with this answer. I hadn't realised his dad had financed not only Breaking Glass but also a chunk of Chariots of Fire.

Anyway on said film, thanks for nominating Will You. Listening to it last night it made me think in some ways its emblematic of 1980. She looks a bit punk, it's presented as edgy new wave but in reality it's a soft rock ballad sung with a bit of a snarl but simultaneously quite tenderly. Quite a mixed bag a bit like 1980.

It was Wesley Magoogan's sax solo on this, that made me want to bin my clarinet and Mozart, moreso than Raph Ravencrofts work with Gerry Rafferty which has more virtuosity. It's an object lesson in something not needing to be technically flashy to be effective, there's not really any tricky runs or jumps and it doesn't spend lots of time in the upper end of the instruments register which is harder to control well. But it's beautifully lyrical and soulful without tipping into Kenny G esque wibble.
 
I fed it into AI and it believes Dodi Fayed's production company was involved with the PR and some of the material for Flesh and Blood and Ants. I think its making that up as it goes along.

Indeed! A good rule of thumb is if you think it'll be quicker to fact check the AI than do the research yourself then fine but otherwise don't bother. This is quite a good summation I think.

 
I am surprised that you were the only one to cover this album or say much about it in what is a history of music thread. Given its iconic nature and the influence it had on so many bands and the Manchester music scene I thought this thread would be all over it. Maybe in our thirst for 10 hour playlists and American AOR we sometimes lose sight of what is really pivotal, music that acts as a catalyst for change.

For me there are few bands that could turn emotion and profundity into music like Joy Division could. You mentioned Hannett's production as an integral element of the album and I completely agree. He gives every synth and drum beat space to breath. I also believe the album and its production were hugely influential in shaping the Manchester music explosion and its most important bands.

Its an album that I have to be in the right mood to listen to and not one that I play often but that does not diminish its cold, ethereal beauty (and that includes the synths) ;-)

RIP Ian Curtis who died 18th May 1980.

I must admit I was a bit disappointed with that. If nothing else I was hoping for a discussion about people's preferences around Unknown Pleasures and Closer; though in may case it's like my kids, different personalities but equally lovable. I think the sometimes reference to Hannett as the 5th member is entirely legitimate.

It is a cliche to describe Closer as a seminal album but though you can hear what influenced them, there was nothing quite like it to that point and plenty referencing it afterwards. The phrase 'sonic cathedral' is cringeworthy and is lazily applied to anything with a fair bit of reverb, to resolve this there should be an act of parliament to restrict it's use to this album only.


'Closer' does not sound 45 years old. It feel like it could have been yesterday. '24 Hours' is my favourite track.

Spot on and that's the mark of something special. The lyrics are as resonant today as they were then too.

When I started work at my first 'proper' job I knew I'd made the right choice of company because my first team leader spent more time telling us proudly that he was at the Birmingham University gig that made up half of Still - than he did doing the induction!
 
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I must admit I was a bit disappointed with that. If nothing else I was hoping for a discussion about people's preferences around Unknown Pleasures and Closer; though in may case it's like my kids, different personalities but equally lovable. I think the sometimes reference to Hannett as the 5th member is entirely legitimate.

It is a cliche to describe Closer as a seminal album but though you can hear what influenced them, there was nothing quite like it to that point and plenty referencing it afterwards. The phrase 'sonic cathedral' is cringeworthy and is lazily applied to anything with a fair bit of reverb, to resolve this there should be an act of parliament to restrict it's use to this album only.




Spot on and that's the mark of something special. The lyrics are as resonant today as they were then too.

When I started work at my first 'proper' job I knew I'd made the right choice of company because my first team leader spent more time telling us proudly that he was at the Birmingham University gig that made up half of Still - than he did doing the induction.
I know I'm being a grumpy sod but honestly, If we aren't having a rounded discussion around an album like Closer on a history of music thread then what is the point of it. We might as well post one of the excellent 'year' playlists from Tidal/Spotify/Apple/Amazon and just listen to that for a week.

Grump over. Bring on Aerosmith, Boston, Rio Speedwagon and the rest ;-)
 
I know I'm being a grumpy sod but honestly, If we aren't having a rounded discussion around an album like Closer on a history of music thread then what is the point of it. We might as well post one of the excellent 'year' playlists from Tidal/Spotify/Apple/Amazon and just listen to that for a week.

Grump over. Bring on Aerosmith, Boston, Rio Speedwagon and the rest ;-)

Maybe we can explicitly ask the person who is curating the initial ten to nominate one that is a "game-changer" or emblematic of the times and speak to that? Or better still based on their list offer up a discussion question for us to get our teeth into.

Only suggestions, but might be interesting to see if that works.

In retrospect I should have thrown in the theory that this changing of the guard was/was going to be fundamentally different and much more messy and blurred than the ones we've seen in previous decades. Cultural and technological changes meant that music was going to 'fan out' in a way that it hadn't done before.

I don't want to pre-empt OB1's next write up but there's something pretty obvious I suspect we'll be talking about anyway.
 
I know I'm being a grumpy sod but honestly, If we aren't having a rounded discussion around an album like Closer on a history of music thread then what is the point of it. We might as well post one of the excellent 'year' playlists from Tidal/Spotify/Apple/Amazon and just listen to that for a week.

Grump over. Bring on Aerosmith, Boston, Rio Speedwagon and the rest ;-)

I think age has a part to play for me in this as my gateway to Joy Division was mid eighties New Order. At this early teens age I had to delve down into the musical history of New Order before I realised who JD were and bought on vinyl which I still have Closer.
Of the 2 I prefer Closer and it's cold and icy production but both are fine albums.

Touching From A Distance by Deborah Curtis is the best book I have read about either band.

Here We Are The Young Men
The Weight On Our Shoulders
 
Maybe we can explicitly ask the person who is curating the initial ten to nominate one that is a "game-changer" or emblematic of the times and speak to that? Or better still based on their list offer up a discussion question for us to get our teeth into.

Only suggestions, but might be interesting to see if that works.

In retrospect I should have thrown in the theory that this changing of the guard was/was going to be fundamentally different and much more messy and blurred than the ones we've seen in previous decades. Cultural and technological changes meant that music was going to 'fan out' in a way that it hadn't done before.

I don't want to pre-empt OB1's next write up but there's something pretty obvious I suspect we'll be talking about anyway.
Maybe mate but to be fair the initial write ups are all really good, its what follows that sometimes concentrates too much on endless playlists rather the meat of what was important that year. Its not all like that, there is often a number of really fantastic contributions, I just think the thread would be improved by more of that.
 
I think age has a part to play for me in this as my gateway to Joy Division was mid eighties New Order. At this early teens age I had to delve down into the musical history of New Order before I realised who JD were and bought on vinyl which I still have Closer.
Of the 2 I prefer Closer and it's cold and icy production but both are fine albums.

Touching From A Distance by Deborah Curtis is the best book I have read about either band.

Here We Are The Young Men
The Weight On Our Shoulders

This is what I meant by the lyrics still resonating, they are (sadly) timeless themes. I know you can read Decades in a number of different ways but, as with lots of kids the bit of O Level English Lit I really enjoyed was the WW1 poets, and to me it chimed in a very similar way but even more so because of the music which was perfect for the words.
 
I know I'm being a grumpy sod but honestly, If we aren't having a rounded discussion around an album like Closer on a history of music thread then what is the point of it. We might as well post one of the excellent 'year' playlists from Tidal/Spotify/Apple/Amazon and just listen to that for a week.

Grump over. Bring on Aerosmith, Boston, Rio Speedwagon and the rest ;-)
Oh, I will.
 
Oh, I will.

Actually in a handful of years time I'm going to (genuinely) be interested in how you feel about the intersection of Rock and Rap. We might even be able to touch on it a little bit next year.
 
This is what I meant by the lyrics still resonating, they are (sadly) timeless themes. I know you can read Decades in a number of different ways but, as with lots of kids the bit of O Level English Lit I really enjoyed was the WW1 poets, and to me it chimed in a very similar way but even more so because of the music which was perfect for the words.
We used to have a nice poetry thread on Blue Moon. It used to feature them a great deal. As you say, timeless.
 

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