Lucy Letby infant murders trial

[HelloCity]

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Forgive me. It’s late!

You know what people are like on here…!

 

[dickie davies]

It's nailed on Letby will appeal and released, but that's not the end of it
It's also highly likely that the entire hospital (Countess of Chester) will close because of this

 

[HelloCity]

Manslaughter arrests in Lucy Letby hospital investigation

Cheshire Police has been conducted an investigation into potential manslaughter

www.bbc.co.uk

Three former senior staff at the hospital where nurse Lucy Letby murdered seven babies and attempted to kill seven others have been arrested, Cheshire Police has confirmed.

All three suspects worked on the senior leadership team at the Countess of Chester Hospital between 2015 and 2016 and are being questioned on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter.

The arrests came after an investigation into potential corporate manslaughter at the hospital was opened in 2023, and then widened in March this year to include gross negligence manslaughter.

Cheshire Police said the case does not have any impact on Letby's 2023 convictions for murder and attempted murder.

 

[KS55]

May I refer you to the 9 thousand pages of speculation and assumption on this here forum.

Yes. Apparently the verdict depends on the quality of the corned beef sarnies the panel are dining on.

 

[HelloCity]

Prosecutors considering further charges against Lucy Letby

The Crown Prosecution Service is considering a "full file" of evidence submitted by Cheshire Police.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Prosecutors considering further charges against Lucy Letby

The Crown Prosecution Service is considering a "full file" of evidence submitted by Cheshire Police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Could be quite interesting if they decide to proceed because I’d say the outcome of any such prosecution is far less certain than it would have been a couple of years ago. Be interesting to see what they do. I wouldn’t be surprised if her current legal representation might actually welcome further charges, in their client’s best interests.

 

[bluenova]

There's a new doc on ITV about this tomorrow night (Sunday 3rd August 10.20pm), "Lucy Letby: Beyond Reasonable Doubt?"

 

[Claytop]

There's a new doc on ITV about this tomorrow night (Sunday 3rd August 10.20pm), "Lucy Letby: Beyond Reasonable Doubt?"

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Just watched this, I know it’s presenting Letby/defence side of it but it comes across very compelling in terms of there being a significant miscarriage of justice.

How did the initial trial go ahead with such little defence seemingly put forward?

 

[NPBlue]

Just watched this, I know it’s presenting Letby/defence side of it but it comes across very compelling in terms of there being a significant miscarriage of justice.

How did the initial trial go ahead with such little defence seemingly put forward?

She was represented by a QC that thought the prosecution had a weak case, so didn't provide a robust defence in response to that.

 

[HelloCity]

The flaws in medical evidence on all sides of the Lucy Letby case

Barrister Mark McDonald claims to have the backing of a panel of world class experts who say there is no evidence any babies were deliberately harmed

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Protein Junkie]

I don’t think it’s a case of new evidence, but more a case that (some of) the evidence which was heavily relied upon to help convince the jury, was incorrect/inaccurate/taken out of context and therefore her conviction is unsound.

Although I think one or two of the doctors are suggesting she is innocent…I think it’s more that this current development is suggesting she hasn’t/can’t be proved guilty. There’s a difference between the two.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[blue b4 the moon]

She's either a crazy evil fucker or victim of a stitch up.

In reality the general public have no idea which she falls into as there's so much conjecture but, more importantly so much evidence that we can't really make an informed decision.

I just hope that our legal system gets it right in the end.

 

[mexico1970]

She's either a crazy evil fucker or victim of a stitch up.

In reality the general public have no idea which she falls into as there's so much conjecture but, more importantly so much evidence that we can't really make an informed decision.

I just hope that our legal system gets it right in the end.

We'll know soon enough when a parent walks onto a baby ward and finds her there working again, I would put nothing past this crazy world of HR and litigation based madness.

 

[HelloCity]

General comment -

You wouldn't bet a lot of money on her being guilty beyond reasonable doubt would you?

 

[inchy14]

We'll know soon enough when a parent walks onto a baby ward and finds her there working again, I would put nothing past this crazy world of HR and litigation based madness.

She’ll never work again regardless so that’s a moot comment.

Watching the latest documentary I’m still unsure as to her guilt and would probably sway towards not guilty.

What I will say though is her defence team totally let her down, how that doctor was allowed to commit perjury and get away with it I’ll never know.

Her team already had his written email stating the total opposite of what he said on the stand!!

 

[inchy14]

General comment -

You wouldn't bet a lot of money on her being guilty beyond reasonable doubt would you?

Not after some of the evidence!! And I didn’t know that if you assumed she’d committed criminal acts against some children you could assume she’d done the others!!

 

[KS55]

One problem with these post hoc enquiries; you don’t get to evaluate the witnesses on the stand. It’s quite different from written statements.

 

[give it to gordon]

Very interesting program on channel 4 about this. The evidence seems very dodgy to say the least, seems to have been made to fit against her.
On one of the deaths she wasn't even working. The evidence only concentration on deaths when she was working, yet ignored the deaths of others when she wasn't working.
As for the notes that was explained and was very plausible, as I heard of people being told to do this when dealing with problems.
The press/media coverage was not impartial and put pressure on the jury.
Watching the second program tonight. Ive always had a feeling she didnt do it, but that might be because I dont want to believe a nurse could do this.
That said it sounds like her defense team were crap.

 

[paulchapo]

Very interesting program on channel 4 about this. The evidence seems very dodgy to say the least, seems to have been made to fit against her.
On one of the deaths she wasn't even working. The evidence only concentration on deaths when she was working, yet ignored the deaths of others when she wasn't working.
As for the notes that was explained and was very plausible, as I heard of people being told to do this when dealing with problems.
The press/media coverage was not impartial and put pressure on the jury.
Watching the second program tonight. Ive always had a feeling she didnt do it, but that might be because I dont want to believe a nurse could do this.
That said it sounds like her defense team were crap.

I seem to remember this story popping up on the news every few months before she was eventually taken into custody and then put on trial. The police kept on arresting her on suspicion, taking her in for questioning and then releasing her, before a few months later doing the same again. I'm not exactly sure how many times this happened, maybe two or three? I remember thinking at the time something seemed odd, in that if they had enough evidence to arrest her why was it taking so long?
To convict someone of a crime I thought it had to be beyond reasonable doubt and from what I've heard about this case there appears to be a fair bit of reasonable doubt.