VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not sure why 1-0 is relevant. There are many tight games in RU which I watch a lot of where the technology can define the outcome - a try being allowed/disallowed with seconds to go is not uncommon. The transparent scrutiny which happens live with multiple angles being shown of the incident and the referee and video ref discussion being transmitted to TV and live audiences in real time means wether you like the decision or not, you understand it. So yes, I firmly believe that if you have competent unbiased referees who apply the laws of the game and are capable of describing in detail their rationale for a decision live the technology supports them and the fairness of the game is enhanced. The arguments about the application of technology impacting the live spectacle is a different discussion, I'm simply arguing that under the correct environment it works.
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Nobody ever went to a game of RU, cricket or tennis and celebrated as if life itself were at stake. Football existed with all its mistakes, foibles and mishaps without technology for nearly 200 years.
Technology utterly kills the unparalleled bliss, joy, mental emotion we used to get. Ball in net, no flag - pandemonium. It’s what we live for. That unbridled unalloyed joy. VAR has taken that away.
If the Twickenham ra ra lot enjoy listening to the referees, fucking great, crack on.
We’ll be just fine without it.
I fucking despise it for all it’s taken away.
 
johnnytapia said:
Nobody ever went to a game of RU, cricket or tennis and celebrated as if life itself were at stake. Football existed with all its mistakes, foibles and mishaps without technology for nearly 200 years.
Technology utterly kills the unparalleled bliss, joy, mental emotion we used to get. Ball in net, no flag - pandemonium. It’s what we live for. That unbridled unalloyed joy. VAR has taken that away.
If the Twickenham ra ra lot enjoy listening to the referees, fucking great, crack on.
We’ll be just fine without it.
I fucking despise it for all it’s taken away.
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Different argument to the one we were discussing. I actually agree that it has sucked the joy out of a live game. Crazy that we can no longer celebrate when the ball hits the net and then we may wait around 5 minutes to know what has happened. BTW I couldn’t give a shit about the Twickers bunch. I watch all my rugby in Scotland. :-)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Different argument to the one we were discussing. I actually agree that it has sucked the joy out of a live game. Crazy that we can no longer celebrate when the ball hits the net and then we may wait around 5 minutes to know what has happened. BTW I couldn’t give a shit about the Twickers bunch. I watch all my rugby in Scotland. :-)
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They’ll be jumping for joy in Jedburgh - they can fuck off too :-)
 
halfcenturyup said:
I don't agree with what was said at all. When football scores are up in the region of 30 goals to 20 over 90 minutes and individual VAR cock-ups aren't responsible for deciding a whole match, then I will listen to comparisons to other sports.

And do we know who is on the "independent panel" who decides right and wrong decisions and who pays them? I think we do. All fluff to convince people it's working. It isn't.
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A few weeks ago in the NRL play-offs in Australia, there was huge controversy over the officials making an impact on the result.

Brisbane here in white were away at league leaders Canberra in Green, in the first week of the finals:



#1 in white Reece Walsh headbutted someone early in the second half and only got a Sin Bin for it [0.55 on the vid]. After he came back on he scored a try [1.54 on the vid], set up a try [2.04 on the vid], kicked a 40-20 to set up the play another try was scored off the back of [2.10 on the vid], then on the final hooter he was kicking for a 2-point drop goal to go level and take the game to extra time which he missed but the Video Ref harshly said that he was tackled late so they gave Brisbane a penalty [2.45 on the vid]… he then kicked the penalty which did take it to extra time.

In extra time, Canberra scored a winning try [3.53 on the vid] which was disallowed for a knock-on which was very dubious (I don’t think the Canberra lad touched it so couldn’t have knocked it on). And then Brisbane went and scored a drop goal to win the game.

Canberra fans were furious with the fact Walsh wasn’t sent off for the headbutt (although he tried to put a lot of force into it, he sort of missed), also furious that Carrigan wasn’t sent off for his high shot [1.28 on the vid] shoulder to the head, furious with the decision to award a penalty for a late challenge on Walsh as the kicker, furious with the decision to disallow their winning try and furious in general that because Reece Walsh is a superstar he was treated kindly where others would have been sent off and others would not have gained a penalty for what he did on the hooter.

Brisbane went on from winning that game to win the semifinals last week and are now in the Grand Final this Sunday.

This is in a sport and league where the officials and video refs are usually excellent. But even there there’s controversy from time-to-time.

The equivalent of this happening in football would be: Arsenal’s Saka not being sent off for headbutting someone, Rice not being sent off for smashing someone in the head with his shoulder, then Saka scoring a goal, getting an assist, winning a corner that they scored from, then being brought down for a dubious penalty that he converted which took the game into extra time… the opposition scoring a legitimate goal in extra time that was disallowed and Arsenal going in the other end and winning it.
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
and?
Are you saying that there is no bias?
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If anything, we are part of the group of clubs the officials show positive bias towards. It’s the smaller clubs who are shafted most of the time. We are part of the elite clubs who get far more decisions than clubs outside our elite group.

We just have the opinion we do with regards to the redshirts because our own biases make us feel hard done to when they get decisions and don’t take into account the decisions we get.
 
.db. said:
A few weeks ago in the NRL play-offs in Australia, there was huge controversy over the officials making an impact on the result.

Brisbane here in white were away at league leaders Canberra in Green, in the first week of the finals:



#1 in white Reece Walsh headbutted someone early in the second half and only got a Sin Bin for it [0.55 on the vid]. After he came back on he scored a try [1.54 on the vid], set up a try [2.04 on the vid], kicked a 40-20 to set up the play another try was scored off the back of [2.10 on the vid], then on the final hooter he was kicking for a 2-point drop goal to go level and take the game to extra time which he missed but the Video Ref harshly said that he was tackled late so they gave Brisbane a penalty [2.45 on the vid]… he then kicked the penalty which did take it to extra time.

In extra time, Canberra scored a winning try [3.53 on the vid] which was disallowed for a knock-on which was very dubious (I don’t think the Canberra lad touched it so couldn’t have knocked it on). And then Brisbane went and scored a drop goal to win the game.

Canberra fans were furious with the fact Walsh wasn’t sent off for the headbutt (although he tried to put a lot of force into it, he sort of missed), also furious that Carrigan wasn’t sent off for his high shot [1.28 on the vid] shoulder to the head, furious with the decision to award a penalty for a late challenge on Walsh as the kicker, furious with the decision to disallow their winning try and furious in general that because Reece Walsh is a superstar he was treated kindly where others would have been sent off and others would not have gained a penalty for what he did on the hooter.

Brisbane went on from winning that game to win the semifinals last week and are now in the Grand Final this Sunday.

This is in a sport and league where the officials and video refs are usually excellent. But even there there’s controversy from time-to-time.

The equivalent of this happening in football would be: Arsenal’s Saka not being sent off for headbutting someone, Rice not being sent off for smashing someone in the head with his shoulder, then Saka scoring a goal, getting an assist, winning a corner that they scored from, then being brought down for a dubious penalty that he converted which took the game into extra time… the opposition scoring a legitimate goal in extra time that was disallowed and Arsenal going in the other end and winning it.
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Pff .... Happens all the time here. Bloody amateurs.
 
.db. said:
If anything, we are part of the group of clubs the officials show positive bias towards. It’s the smaller clubs who are shafted most of the time. We are part of the elite clubs who get far more decisions than clubs outside our elite group.

We just have the opinion we do with regards to the redshirts because our own biases make us feel hard done to when they get decisions and don’t take into account the decisions we get.
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I think you are very wrong. We must disagree on this.
 
.db. said:
The equivalent of this happening in football would be: Arsenal’s Saka not being sent off for headbutting someone, Rice not being sent off for smashing someone in the head with his shoulder, then Saka scoring a goal, getting an assist, winning a corner that they scored from, then being brought down for a dubious penalty that he converted which took the game into extra time… the opposition scoring a legitimate goal in extra time that was disallowed and Arsenal going in the other end and winning it.
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Sounds like a typical Arsenal game to me.
 
Let’s hear from the usual apologists….”it’s progress, it’ll be better soon. This is better than the old mistakes we used to get.”
For anyone and everyone who supports VAR - fuck off to Twickenham, Lords, Wimbledon and leave the football to us. Oh, and when you’ve fucked off, fuck off some more.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
That game was re-refereed by someone not on the field of play. The on-field officials did not make that decision.
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I was fully expecting the referee to wave it away having watched the clear evidence on the screen that Nico touched the ball and made no contact with the player. Absolute fucking joke
 
The most painful thing is watching the ref see a still image which convinces them there's a foul. If he watched the whole play he would see Dier grab Nico which meant he could only stick a leg up to try and clear the ball. Without pulling Nico back, he gets there first and heads it. And there was no conclusive image he kicked Dier anyway!

When you watch players continuously con a ref through diving, with no VAR intervention it's all the more sickening to get a decision like that for a penalty.
 
Fuck off Bluespammer85 and stick to licking Keir's arsehole on the politics thread.
VAR is fuckin bent.
Brought in to get 'exciting' results.
No one mentions it not being a free kick in the first place and then Nico is in trouble for playing the ball onto O'Reilly's head.
Yet on saturday a Brighton player gets kicked full on in the kite from a Chelsea player and fat Hooper sees nothing wrong and VAR side with him.
Had enough of this shite
 
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