Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I don’t agree. A huge terror attack just took place and the police are stretched to their limits.

After the Manchester arena bombing or Southport suppose you’d be alright with a mass anti extremist protest - the day of the attack?

Btw I was in Manchester when the protest took place today and plenty of the public were giving them abuse. I don’t think the public were on their side at all. By all means protest, but read the room.
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Ok, no protests for a month due to one absolute scumbag attacking and killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester. Meanwhile,what they’re actually protesting about continues to get worse by the day. It’s not about reading the room it’s about standing up for what is right.

I’m sure plenty of people were against the protest yesterday but plenty are every week too. Watching ITV news this morning is an utter disgrace. Basically some twerp is trying to blame people standing up for Gaza with placards for causing what happened yesterday.
 
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Craig said:
Ok, no protests for a month due to one absolute scumbag attacking and killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester.
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What on earth? Where did I say no protest for a month?

I even said ‘on the day of the attack’.

I personally don’t think it’s the right time to be protesting after a major attack and police stretched to their limits. That’s pretty reasonable isn’t it.

“killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester” - just the two then, not that bad then compared to everything else… (I can do what you did)

Large banner in Manchester yesterday at the front of the protest said ‘Manchester says one solution, Intifada, Revolution’. The violent protest in London had one of the demonstrators say they couldn’t care less about the Jewish community’. Do you think that’s helping the situation in Gaza?
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
What on earth? Where did I say no protest for a month?

I even said ‘on the day of the attack’.

I personally don’t think it’s the right time to be protesting after a major attack and police stretched to their limits. That’s pretty reasonable isn’t it.

“killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester” - just the two then, not that bad then compared to everything else… (I can do what you did)

Large banner in Manchester yesterday at the front of the protest said ‘Manchester says one solution, Intifada, Revolution’. The violent protest in London had one of the demonstrators say they couldn’t care less about the Jewish community’. Do you think that’s helping the situation in Gaza?
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A major attack is what's happening daily in Gaza. When just an average night now of Slaughtering is around 70 or 80 and it barely makes the News. That's why these marches are important.
 
The blue phantom said:
A major attack is what's happening daily in Gaza. When just an average night now of Slaughtering is around 70 or 80 and it barely makes the News. That's why these marches are important.
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Lots of massive fatality rates around the world don’t make the News. In the recent Tigray War in Ethiopia, upwards of 378k civilians were killed in just two years and I don’t remember seeing anything about it on the News once and I never saw a single march about it in this country and there were no threads on here about it.

I don’t think having a demonstration in the city that a terrorist attack has just happened in, when Police are being stretched because they are being used to add security to Synagogues, when emotions of the public are on edge, when it’s closely related in religion and ideologies to the terrorist attack that’s just happened, is a good idea at all. It’s fucking crass to be honest.
 
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The blue phantom said:
A major attack is what's happening daily in Gaza. When just an average night now of Slaughtering is around 70 or 80 and it barely makes the News. That's why these marches are important.
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I didn’t say the marches aren’t important or aren’t needed. Just that imo it’s not right to protest on the day of a major attack. In the same city as well.

Surely people can use a bit of common sense and think it’s not a great idea. Some of the things said and done weren’t about Gaza at all either, it was pure hatred and ignorance.

Why compare them as well?
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
What on earth? Where did I say no protest for a month?

I even said ‘on the day of the attack’.

I personally don’t think it’s the right time to be protesting after a major attack and police stretched to their limits. That’s pretty reasonable isn’t it.

“killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester” - just the two then, not that bad then compared to everything else… (I can do what you did)

Large banner in Manchester yesterday at the front of the protest said ‘Manchester says one solution, Intifada, Revolution’. The violent protest in London had one of the demonstrators say they couldn’t care less about the Jewish community’. Do you think that’s helping the situation in Gaza?
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Ok, maybe i was being a bit flippant by saying a month. My point was the march was planned and it’s people standing up for something that they believe in and what is clearly horrific. So i don’t think what had happened in Crumpsall was appalling . However, the 2 things should not be connected (press are loving doing that this morning obviously) the people protesting are not showing disrespect for the Jewish community in North Manchester they’re simply showing support for the people in Gaza.
 
.db. said:
Lots of massive facility rates around the world don’t make the News. In the recent Tigray War in Ethiopia, upwards of 378k civilians were killed in just two years and I don’t remember seeing anything about it on the News once and I never saw a single march about it in this country and there were no threads on here about it.

I don’t think having a demonstration in the city that a terrorist attack has just happened in, when Police are being stretched because they are being used to add security to Synagogues, when emotions of the public are on edge, when it’s closely related in religion and ideologies to the terrorist attack that’s just happened, is a good idea at all. It’s fucking crass to be honest.
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My taxpayer pounds are being used as part of the Israeli government's mass murder of children. I kinda want to say something when we're complicit in this Genocide. As for the marches they are directed at the Israeli government or anyone in support of them.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I didn’t say the marches aren’t important or aren’t needed. Just that imo it’s not right to protest on the day of a major attack. In the same city as well.

Surely people can use a bit of common sense and think it’s not a great idea. Some of the things said and done weren’t about Gaza at all either, it was pure hatred and ignorance.

Why compare them as well?
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For what it's worth, I understand this perspective. I can understand why some would take this view. I'm in full agreement about police resources being unnecessarily stretched; sadly, human emotion doesn't take such things into account.

However, yesterday's march shouldn't have been cancelled. Do you know why? Because it has absolutely fuck all to do with Judaism, and by extension, anti-Semitism. If the Israeli government weren't committing genocide, these marches wouldn't be taking place. Cancelling it would have been an acceptance that Judaism and the Knesset's atrocities are interchangeable, when they're really not.

Everyone was shocked and appalled by yesterday's events, and the accusation by certain posters that those critical of Israel didn't offer condolences and express sadness is plain wrong, and only serves to politicize it further.
 
The blue phantom said:
My taxpayer pounds are being used as part of the Israeli government's mass murder of children. I kinda want to say something when we're complicit in this Genocide. As for the marches they are directed at the Israeli government or anyone in support of them.
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There’s a time and place though, and the wrong timing in the wrong place can look very poor.

I’m all for people demonstrating against our govt’s assistance to Israel and against Israel’s actions in Gaza and West Bank on any normal day.

But when demonstrations took place straight after the 7th October attack on innocent people before Israel started their retaliation (which did happen across Britain), it looks like a celebration of Jew killing. When a demonstration takes place on the day of a terrorist attack in the same city innocent people were murdered with banners calling for Infatada and chants of the same thing (which did happen in Manchester yesterday), it appears like it’s a celebration of Jew killing.

The Manchester specific demonstration last night should have been postponed. Let the mood settle down and then get back to rightfully demonstrating against Israel another time.
 
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.db. said:
Lots of massive facility rates around the world don’t make the News. In the recent Tigray War in Ethiopia, upwards of 378k civilians were killed in just two years and I don’t remember seeing anything about it on the News once and I never saw a single march about it in this country and there were no threads on here about it.

I don’t think having a demonstration in the city that a terrorist attack has just happened in, when Police are being stretched because they are being used to add security to Synagogues, when emotions of the public are on edge, when it’s closely related in religion and ideologies to the terrorist attack that’s just happened, is a good idea at all. It’s fucking crass to be honest.
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A few weeks ago, I was at Manchester Victoria and some Palestinian cause followers were doing their thing.
They were shouting and bawling just a few feet away from the memorial for the victims of the Arena bombing.
I was utterly appalled by this.
These people will attach themselves to any cause, Palestine, Just stop oil, horse racing, country pursuits and so on.
They need to find better things to do with their time, rather than being just a nuisance
 
Blue and true said:
He called a fellow poster human trash for calling out genocide. The shoe fit.
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Yeah, don’t call someone a top hat who’s condoning genocide or you’ll get a thread ban. Whilst allowing said oddball to continue spouting absolute nonsense to justify mass murder and starvation.

Say whatever you want folks but please no naughty language!
 
This morning on BBC Breakfast, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said; ‘The freedom to protest is a precious freedom in this country, but what I would say to people that are planning to go on a protest is just to take a step back for a minute.

‘Imagine if you had lost a loved one to a terror attack in this country, and just because you have a freedom it doesn’t mean you have to use it all the time.

‘Sometimes a little unity, a little solidarity, some love and friendship to other people is required. I was very disappointed that those protests went ahead last night – 40 arrests were made, including for assaulting Police officers. We will not tolerate that behaviour, those individuals will face the full force of the law.

‘I do think carrying on in this way does feel un-British, it feels wrong and I would ask people who are thinking about going on protests this weekend to take a step back, imagine it was you and just give this community a chance to grieve and to process what has happened’.
 
Craig said:
Ok, no protests for a month due to one absolute scumbag attacking and killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester. Meanwhile,what they’re actually protesting about continues to get worse by the day. It’s not about reading the room it’s about standing up for what is right.

I’m sure plenty of people were against the protest yesterday but plenty are every week too. Watching ITV news this morning is an utter disgrace. Basically some twerp is trying to blame people standing up for Gaza with placards for causing what happened yesterday.
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These protests though are becoming an illness and it's driving further hate because they are literally calling for violence and intifadas. It only takes somebody to take that rhetoric the wrong way and maybe it did yesterday?

We need de-escalation and to calm tensions. For once people shouldn't go out and protest, they should maybe think about spending a day with their loved ones or do something in their community instead.

Israel are bastards but one day off from protest to read the room and do something more positive honestly won't hurt will it.
 
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