Here's a thought.Lots of massive fatality rates around the world don’t make the News. In the recent Tigray War in Ethiopia, upwards of 378k civilians were killed in just two years and I don’t remember seeing anything about it on the News once and I never saw a single march about it in this country and there were no threads on here about it.
I don’t think having a demonstration in the city that a terrorist attack has just happened in, when Police are being stretched because they are being used to add security to Synagogues, when emotions of the public are on edge, when it’s closely related in religion and ideologies to the terrorist attack that’s just happened, is a good idea at all. It’s fucking crass to be honest.
Two others were arrested and the attacker is dead so we don't know what's going on. Something similar was maybe foiled in Germany so we don't know if it is coordinated.There is only one person to blame for what happened yesterday and that is the man who attacked innocent people. He had a brain, he decided to use that in an abhorrent way. I didn't hear that anyone else was holding his hand or leading him into the grounds of the synagogue just himself. He was old enough to make that decision and therefore he is responsible no one else. IMHO
Two others were arrested so we don't know why he did what he did.
Something similar was maybe foiled in Germany so we don't know if it is coordinated.
Israel are doing what they need toThese protests though are becoming an illness and it's driving further hate because they are literally calling for violence and intifadas. It only takes somebody to take that rhetoric the wrong way and maybe it did yesterday?
We need de-escalation and to calm tensions. For once people shouldn't go out and protest, they should maybe think about spending a day with their loved ones or do something in their community instead.
Israel are bastards but one day off from protest to read the room and do something more positive honestly won't hurt will it.
Ok, no protests for a month due to one absolute scumbag attacking and killing 2 people at a Synagogue in Manchester. Meanwhile,what they’re actually protesting about continues to get worse by the day. It’s not about reading the room it’s about standing up for what is right.
I’m sure plenty of people were against the protest yesterday but plenty are every week too. Watching ITV news this morning is an utter disgrace. Basically some twerp is trying to blame people standing up for Gaza with placards for causing what happened yesterday.
Would you say the same thing about the people who did the 7/7 bombings, the London Bridge attacks, the Manchester Arena attack? They were obviously radicalised by ISIS/Al'Qaeda so how do we know this guy wasn't radicalised by some pro-Hamas sentiment? We just don't know but clearly something has been going on across Europe.Whatever he did he made the decision. I doubt he was hypnotised. He was a grown man.
I agree to a certain extent with your argument but I still say he was responsible for his own actions. To you my reasoning might not make sense and I'm sorry if I have offended you. :-)Would you say the same thing about the people who did the 7/7 bombings, the London Bridge attacks, the Manchester Arena attack? They were obviously radicalised by ISIS/Al'Qaeda so how do we know this guy wasn't radicalised by some pro-Hamas sentiment? We just don't know but clearly something has been going on across Europe.
De-escalation is critical right now because unfortunately a small minority of us actually might act upon hatred and any calls for violence. It's the same on the far-right as well and it's just a matter of time until some nutter does something on that side.
I feel sorry for the security services and Police, it's a bloody nightmare out there.
35,000 Ukrainian children have been forceably kidnapped or killed by Russia and perhaps hundred of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, when is the next protest? When will Greta Thunberg drive her aid bus into Kyiv? She never will.Whilst we're are seeing the bombing, starvation of children and genocide taking place on our screens pretty much daily, the anger and tension isn't going to go away any time soon.
Im currently listening to James o Brien. There's a Jewish woman on from Manchester who protest every Friday with dozens of other Jews. Theve decided to carry on with their protest tonight. Although it will be a silent one. As she said they have to carry on.“I was very disappointed to see those protests go ahead last night.
I think that behaviour is fundamentally un-British. I think it’s dishonourable.
I would have wanted those individuals to just take a step back.
The issues that are driving those protests have been going on now for some time; they don’t look like they’re going to come to an end any day soon.
They could have stepped back and just given a community that has suffered deep loss just a day or two to process what has happened and to carry on with the grieving process.”
Well said Shabana Mahmood
Would you say the same thing about the people who did the 7/7 bombings, the London Bridge attacks, the Manchester Arena attack? They were obviously radicalised by ISIS/Al'Qaeda so how do we know this guy wasn't radicalised by some pro-Hamas sentiment? We just don't know but clearly something has been going on across Europe.
De-escalation is critical right now because unfortunately a small minority of us actually might act upon hatred and any calls for violence. It's the same on the far-right as well and it's just a matter of time until some nutter does something on that side.
I feel sorry for the security services and Police, it's a bloody nightmare out there. This is why I think people should think twice about attending protests, stop riling yourself up and just do something positive locally. It's good for you.
Do you actually believe that?Israel are doing what they need to
to eradicate hamas.
While it's an awful situation and understand the comparison, theres no illegal blockade, genocide or famine happening in the Ukraine, and Western powers are not complicant or compliant in that crisis so the what aboutery there is pointless, but agree with the rest of your post to some extent - however as an outsider looking in, it seems to me like your government is trying to stoke division already and trying to blame protestors instead of looking for calm and unity and laying some of the blame on the actions of a despot 20000 miles away and the 'IDF spokespersons' who have been trying to make this a completely anti Jewish thing since day one instead of what is for most people protesting - an anti genocidal right wing facist regime thing - by claiming any criticism of their crimes is anti semetic. It's worth nothing the connection to Gaza, and protestors placards were being made before any details emerged on the attack on the likes of BBC World news and sky.35,000 Ukrainian children have been forceably kidnapped or killed by Russia and perhaps hundred of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, when is the next protest? When will Greta Thunberg drive her aid bus into Kyiv? She never will.
What I'm trying to say is that people are highly selective in their anger because of the identity politics involved and not necessarily the issue itself.
Some anger is perhaps warranted but the volume is constantly being turned up by very dangerous politically motivated people and that is when people start to get radicalised and/or turn to violence.
Some need to seriously look at themselves and reconsider the things that they say. We need to calm tensions and not increase them so it'd be good if some just took a day off.
Our government supports Ukraine we support the Ukrainian people there is a thread for Russia/Ukraine, this one is the invasion of Gaza by Israel.35,000 Ukrainian children have been forceably kidnapped or killed by Russia and perhaps hundred of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, when is the next protest? When will Greta Thunberg drive her aid bus into Kyiv? She never will.
What I'm trying to say is that people are highly selective in their anger because of the identity politics involved and not necessarily the issue itself.
Some anger is perhaps warranted but the volume is being turned up by very dangerous people and that is when people start to get radicalised and/or turn to violence.
Some need to seriously look at themselves and reconsider the things that they say. We need to calm tensions and not increase them so it'd be good if some just took a day off.
These protests though are becoming an illness and it's driving further hate because they are literally calling for violence and intifadas. It only takes somebody to take that rhetoric the wrong way and maybe it did yesterday?
Er, do you understand what they’re protesting about don’t you?Have our government been supporting Russia or Ukraine since this started? As Cantona said 3/4 days after Russia invaded Ukraine they were band from all competitions. Well over 700 days into this and still Israel are allowed to compete in all competitions. Also not heard of many Ukrainian’s being starved to death.I even know someone who has been over to Kiev for a holiday about 3 times since the war started.35,000 Ukrainian children have been forceably kidnapped or killed by Russia and perhaps hundred of thousands of Ukrainians have been killed, when is the next protest? When will Greta Thunberg drive her aid bus into Kyiv? She never will.
What I'm trying to say is that people are highly selective in their anger because of the identity politics involved and not necessarily the issue itself.
Some anger is perhaps warranted but the volume is constantly being turned up by very dangerous politically motivated people and that is when people start to get radicalised and/or turn to violence.
Some need to seriously look at themselves and reconsider the things that they say. We need to calm tensions and not increase them so it'd be good if some just took a day off.
Yes.Do you actually believe that?