Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

"in the trenches..."?
I balked at that line, the signing ceremony all of it feels wrong when Trump gave Netanyahu the green light to destroy Gaza they supplied the bombs and military assistance to do it.
Murdered thousands of Hamas and tens of thousand of innocent Palestinians we are supposed to appreciate how great they all are
 
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You'll realize, once you've read it, why the likelihood of this issue ever being resolved is about the same as being struck by lighting twice.
Except Israel has chosen a path that has disgusted many who were sympathetic. If people think Israel has a right to exist most don't think they have a right to the land they've occupied since 1967, to be achieved by ethnic cleansing. I'm aware that few of their supporters on here will respond to the question, "What are the boundaries of Eretz Israel?"

The most vocal non-Jewish support for further expansion comes from the bizarre antisemitic heresy of Christian Zionism (Jews will either convert to Christianity or they will die; toward that we'll support the provocation of destroying the Al-Aqsa mosque and building there a temple where Jews can offer sacrifice to take away sin, even though our Christian holy book explains that their Christ died on the cross "once and for all" to take away sin and make temple sacrifice redundant.) Lest you think this an outlier view, the US ambassador to Israel supports a "third temple".

Without US support, which is diminishing, the last thing Israel needs is larger, less defensible borders.
 
Interesting and apposite analogy. I think if I was attacked by someone with a 6 inch blade, in a restaurant, with my family present, I would do everything I could to defend myself and my family. This could extend to me grabbing a knife from the restaurant to do so, or using the attacker’s own knife on them if I was able to seize it from them. It might even extend to me killing my attacker in the act of defending myself and my family.

What I wouldn’t do, when the person who attacked me was plainly incapacitated, would be to go on to attack his family, including his children with the same weapon that I used on the attacker and everyone who happened to be sat near him for the next two hours.

Your first sentence only stands up to any form of scrutiny if it’s predicated on the basis that innocent children are as culpable as the monstrous and foolish people who launched the utterly misconceived strategic calamity that was 7/10; but that act of infamy (to borrow a phrase from FDR) however appalling, can never give Israel carte blanche, because if it does then deliberately starving children is acceptable - so unless you don’t believe that there has to be a line somewhere, then it’s obvious to anyone with any sense of reason and objectivity that Israel, from a position of legitimately defending itself, crossed that line some considerable time ago.

And the amount of firepower is far from irrelevant. It’s akin to saying that when that same person attacked me with the knife, and I happened to be carrying a machine gun, I’d be entirely justified to kill everyone in the restaurant with it, after I’d killed him, simply because I had it on my person. If every world leader thought like that then our species would already have wiped itself out in a nuclear Armageddon, and in turn destroyed the planet, many years ago.

The amount of firepower any nation possesses, and how it deploys it, is always relevant to any discussion about how it wages war, especially where an inequality of arms subsists. It’s inhuman to suggest otherwise.

Sadly mate that Hamas has called on its members to take up arms and reassert its control over Gaza makes me think no lessons have been learnt.

None whatsoever and all the while the innocent die.
 
Except Israel has chosen a path that has disgusted many who were sympathetic. If people think Israel has a right to exist most don't think they have a right to the land they've occupied since 1967, to be achieved by ethnic cleansing. I'm aware that few of their supporters on here will respond to the question, "What are the boundaries of Eretz Israel?"

The most vocal non-Jewish support for further expansion comes from the bizarre antisemitic heresy of Christian Zionism (Jews will either convert to Christianity or they will die; toward that we'll support the provocation of destroying the Al-Aqsa mosque and building there a temple where Jews can offer sacrifice to take away sin, even though our Christian holy book explains that their Christ died on the cross "once and for all" to take away sin and make temple sacrifice redundant.) Lest you think this an outlier view, the US ambassador to Israel supports a "third temple".

Without US support, which is diminishing, the last thing Israel needs is larger, less defensible borders.
I think you've misapprehended where I was coming from. I know Israel have gone down a route which has stripped away sympathy they may have had, the book delves into the reasons and, suffice it to say, the route has gradated upwards in it's extremism.

As for the boundaries of Eretz Israel, well you need only look at a map of the region circa 1947 and contrast it to a present day map; the land they have stolen in that time is plain to see.

Israel only exists because of the West. By extension, an ultra-nationalist spirit and ideology is the only thing thing that ensures its survival, because anything else exposes its ethereal nationhood. I don't think US support is diminishing, but it's definitely plateaued. It will start to diminish once the full scale of their barbarity is revealed, and Trump dies.
 
I think you've misapprehended where I was coming from. I know Israel have gone down a route which has stripped away sympathy they may have had, the book delves into the reasons and, suffice it to say, the route has gradated upwards in it's extremism.

As for the boundaries of Eretz Israel, well you need only look at a map of the region circa 1947 and contrast it to a present day map; the land they have stolen in that time is plain to see.

Israel only exists because of the West. By extension, an ultra-nationalist spirit and ideology is the only thing thing that ensures its survival, because anything else exposes its ethereal nationhood. I don't think US support is diminishing, but it's definitely plateaued. It will start to diminish once the full scale of their barbarity is revealed, and Trump dies.
Its not diminishing through congress or the Senate as these people are payed off by pro Israeli lobbyists. Mainly Aipac. The base of the Democrats has litterly washed their hands of Israel and the younger voter Republicans the same. They are fucked world wide for a Generation or Two.
 
Not exactly the language of peace when Israeli officials are still calling Palestinians terrorists.

"Uncivilised people who hate Jews and the west..."
BBC are the worst. They won't recognise any of the Palestinians kidnapped and tortured by the Israelis as Hostages. But the ones kidnapped by Hamas are Hostages. Weird
 
Absolutely scandalous what's gone on there with that Barsi Weiss.
When she first burst onto the scene I liked her because she 'believed' in balance journalism.

She's now an IDF mouthpiece.

You can be critical of a government and their actions without tarring a whole religious group for their actions.

Weiss and others should be ashamed of using strong words to shame people into not dissenting.

The government spokeswoman who was just on was embarrassing. She spoke the language of war with an air of arrogant supremacy. How can you successfully negotiate peace with your enemy if you are still calling them uncivilised cunts.
 
Its not diminishing through congress or the Senate as these people are payed off by pro Israeli lobbyists. Mainly Aipac. The base of the Democrats has litterly washed their hands of Israel and the younger voter Republicans the same. They are fucked world wide for a Generation or Two.

Absolutely scandalous what's gone on there with that Barsi Weiss.
Part of what Max Blumenthal has called the "eighth front of the war' ... the information war, predominantly in the US.



Another facet being the paid 'influencer' campaign. Not sure these clowns are squeezing the toothpaste back into the tube any time soon ...

 
Its not diminishing through congress or the Senate as these people are payed off by pro Israeli lobbyists. Mainly Aipac. The base of the Democrats has litterly washed their hands of Israel and the younger voter Republicans the same. They are fucked world wide for a Generation or Two.
I don't think it will ever completely diminish, the lobbyists will always remain, but their influence will flag once this administration ends (assuming they don't turn the US into a wholly fascist state) and some degree of normality returns to the White House.
 
I don't think it will ever completely diminish, the lobbyists will always remain, but their influence will flag once this administration ends (assuming they don't turn the US into a wholly fascist state) and some degree of normality returns to the White House.
Not sure pretending this isn't bi-partisan is particularly helpful tbh.
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