Tipping on ordering

Wasn't there a survey once that found if the waitress drew a smiley face on the bill, they'd get an average of 50% more tip, or some shit?
 
On a recent trip to Australia I discovered that tipping the service staff is absolutely not a thing there. There may be a service charge, but it's usually reserved for large groups and always publicised on the menu.

I suppose when you pay staff a decent wage they don't need to rely on tips.
 
modern tech gig economy nonsense, most apps and PDQ machines automatically have the tip option programed in, most places press no thanks before asking you to tap your card on a machine, apps though you will have it foisted upon you from the start
 
I'm With Stupid said:
What's the logic of a service charge for large groups btw? How is it more work to serve a table of 20 than 5 tables of 4?
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I have had this happen in the past. Surely it’s basic economics …the more that use a service , the cheaper it should be. It’s called economies of scale, but clearly that translates to the economies of greed by some restaurants.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
What's the logic of a service charge for large groups btw? How is it more work to serve a table of 20 than 5 tables of 4?
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Don't know exactly, but if a restaurant is any good all 20 guests should be servrd at the same time so he kitchen needs to be scaled to to that and there should be more than probably 2 waiting staff. Serving a table of 20 WELL is harder than 5 seperate tables of 4.
 
Eaststander1 said:
If there's a button at the bottom that says 'maybe another time', then press that and they'll probably ask you about the tip again at the end of your meal.

In my opinion you don't tip for the service you're going to get , you tip at the end of the meal because hopefully you're happy with the service you got!
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They actually shouldn't be allowed by law to do it tbh govt needs to step in on dodgy shit like that.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't know exactly, but if a restaurant is any good all 20 guests should be servrd at the same time so he kitchen needs to be scaled to to that and there should be more than probably 2 waiting staff. Serving a table of 20 WELL is harder than 5 seperate tables of 4.
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That's the job though but as long as its stated before anyone books as opposed to when you walk through the door then hairy muff I suppose.
 
hilts said:
They actually shouldn't be allowed by law to do it tbh govt needs to step in on dodgy shit like that.
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It's an industry wide scam that they have tried to make acceptable preying on peoples inhibitions not to cause a scene, the price of food has sky rocketed and now they add imaginary wish list money to the end of the bill it's ridiculous.

People should be taught that saying no isn't rude, asking for money that isn't rightfully yours is rude.
 
mexico1970 said:
It's an industry wide scam that they have tried to make acceptable preying on peoples inhibitions not to cause a scene, the price of food has sky rocketed and now they add imaginary wish list money to the end of the bill it's ridiculous.

People should be taught that saying no isn't rude, asking for money that isn't rightfully yours is rude.
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Personally I'm quite happy not tipping if service is bad, the problem with it being taken first is one they needn't provide much of a service and two if you didn't pay it im not too comfortable knowing what im gonna get in my food or if the service becomes really bad out of spite.
 
hilts said:
That's the job though but as long as its stated before anyone books as opposed to when you walk through the door then hairy muff I suppose.
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Yes.you would expect a group of 20 to book, but a decent restaurant would get extra staff in to serve them. That said the best restaurants get the extra staff in but probably have the same service charge for everyone,small or large group, so no extra charge for the big group.
The ones that have the extra charge for big groups probably don't get extra staff in and a good chance the service for everyone in the restaurant the big group paying service charge and small groups not gets worse service.
 
hilts said:
Personally I'm quite happy not tipping if service is bad, the problem with it being taken first is one they needn't provide much of a service and two if you didn't pay it im not too comfortable knowing what im gonna get in my food or if the service becomes really bad out of spite.
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People are going out they are in good spirits, venues take advantage of peoples good nature. The only people I have ever tipped are taxi drivers and I am not sure why I do that I suppose it's just a cultural thing.

You're spot on about that worry about fucking with your food if you tick the no tip box.
 
I tip well when I have good service. I don't know the service quality till afterwards. anything asking me to tip before I know if the food/service is good gets 0 tip and then i'll hand over some extra cash at the end if its good service.
 
mexico1970 said:
People are going out they are in good spirits, venues take advantage of peoples good nature. The only people I have ever tipped are taxi drivers and I am not sure why I do that I suppose it's just a cultural thing.

You're spot on about that worry about fucking with your food if you tick the no tip box.
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It's missing the point though tips are part of the wages especially in these days of service charges,many restaurant jobs are advertised as minimum wage plus tips ( often zero hour contracts) so by not paying you are hurting the staff not the business.Now it's perfectly reasonable to say the business should pay a decent wage and so no tipping required. If that happened though the extra wages and costs would be put on the price of the meal and you would then end up paying the extra with no choice to refuse if you had bad service.
 
blueparrot said:
It's missing the point though tips are part of the wages especially in these days of service charges,many restaurant jobs are advertised as minimum wage plus tips ( often zero hour contracts) so by not paying you are hurting the staff not the business.Now it's perfectly reasonable to say the business should pay a decent wage and so no tipping required. If that happened though the extra wages and costs would be put on the price of the meal and you would then end up paying the extra with no choice to refuse if you had bad service.
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No it isn't my responsibility to pay the staff, that's on the business. The prices should go up if the business can't manage instead of surreptitiously sneaking a guilt trip onto customers.

I wouldn't go to a place where they had a service charge or was expected to tip anyway so it's a moot point, if I ever did I would pay the price advertised because I am not easily shamed/conned.
 
mexico1970 said:
No it isn't my responsibility to pay the staff, that's on the business. The prices should go up if the business can't manage instead of surreptitiously sneaking a guilt trip onto customers.

I wouldn't go to a place where they had a service charge or was expected to tip anyway so it's a moot point, if I ever did I would pay the price advertised because I am not easily shamed/conned.
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Of course it is every customer of every business pays the staff it's in the pricing of every single business and product you buy.
 
blueparrot said:
Of course it is every customer of every business pays the staff it's in the pricing of every single business and product you buy.
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But you pay the price quoted, what you don't do is get shamed to pay more when you walk into a business. They are relying on customers not causing a scene it's an insidious practice and it should be stamped out.

If not by law but by more people telling them to fuck off.
 
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