Alan Harper's Tash
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To complete the nihilism, we’d refuse Jesus’ asylum application and deport him.
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TinFoilHat
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Aliens.
Just waiting for them to land. The leader comes out and says; "Well that's another failed experiment. The dinosaurs, Mayans, and now you lot. You've got 5 years notice to get your shit together or were sending another reset asteroid.Cheers!"
Wasn't there a line in the West Wing about the people that show up get the job done? It seems no one wants to show up and do it and expects someone else to do it for them.
I'd love to be able to time jump a couple of hundred years to see how history judges this period.
This also goes for politics. Less BS for political gains, more honesty and throw the nation a friggin' bone of hope and positivity. Instead of telling us everything is fucked and the people who make the system work have to contribute more whilst the people who profit from us are allowed to do what the fuck they want.
hilts
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Because its been going on for ages, politicians promise to do something, come up with nonsense that fails so it gets reported. Simples unlike the solution.
mosssideblue
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Not so according to Farage, he will have it sorted immediately
hilts
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Just another bellend lying to the public, unfortunately many lump them all together and not without good reason.
mosssideblue
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Said it previously, no one will stop the boats, short of sinking them mid channel.
hilts
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Yeah I guess the only way is to stop people wanting to come but if they are prepared to risk their lives on not sinking only that guarantee would work.
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Don't worry, the likes of Peter Thiel will happily fill the vacuum left as a result of the systematic undermining of our democracies. He and his kind are convinced they know what's best for everyone, in fact some of them are so sure they're happy to roll their sleeves up and undermine the current systems themselves, very philanthropic of them. I'm coming round to the view that a bit of neo-luddism wouldn't be a bad idea at this point.
mosssideblue
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We’ll never stop them coming so we need to manage their arrival much better than we have been doing
hilts
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I'm not sure countries can be seen to just accept they have open borders tbh.
Its why its such a mess not just the UK but Europe in general.
meltonblue
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It’s not an open border if we properly assess and subsequently deport failed asylum seekers though, and do it far quicker than we have been. The approval rate and the time to process has dropped a fair bit.
The boats won’t stop fully unless we put processing centres abroad and say we’ll only accept asylum seekers from that route.
hilts
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None of this prevents people entering on a boat, if we do processing centres, more will come. Some get approval, some don't, the don'ts can still get on a boat. You also have to have agreements with countries to deport to and are reliant on the courts being 'onside'
Even Europe are at the stage where they are not only concerned but have obvious disagreements.
EU Split Deepens Over Migration Solidarity Plan
The EU misses a key migration report deadline, exposing deep rifts over asylum burden-sharing. Learn how this delay could affect the bloc’s 2026 pact.
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The elephant in the room is the numbers coming have become uncomfortable and countries if they could would like to step away from their previously agreed responsibilities. This is only gonna get worse unless Europe becomes an unattractive destination.
With the current state of conflicts and fast approaching climate problems that isn't likely.
johnny crossan
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About to lose bedrock seat Caerphilly for the first time since 1918 - Farage allegedly on his way to the count after complete Labour vote collapse.
So we cannot have any of the relevant experts involved. We cannot have judges because it might stop criminal proceedings or take to long ( they to have let down victims) we cannot have social workers or police or council staff because they have let down victims even if these specific ones have gone above and beyond not
Let’s just not bother
This is why enquiries don’t work in this country aside from politicians not implementing the changes they suggest they are about victims feelings and stories not the data and evidence not coming up with solutions getting things done quickly our enquires last far longer and cost a lot more than other countries
What exactly am I blaming them for ?
meltonblue
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None of this prevents people entering on a boat, if we do processing centres, more will come. Some get approval, some don't, the don'ts can still get on a boat. You also have to have agreements with countries to deport to and are reliant on the courts being 'onside'
Even Europe are at the stage where they are not only concerned but have obvious disagreements.
EU Split Deepens Over Migration Solidarity Plan
The EU misses a key migration report deadline, exposing deep rifts over asylum burden-sharing. Learn how this delay could affect the bloc’s 2026 pact.
The elephant in the room is the numbers coming have become uncomfortable and countries if they could would like to step away from their previously agreed responsibilities. This is only gonna get worse unless Europe becomes an unattractive destination.
With the current state of conflicts and fast approaching climate problems that isn't likely.
It does if you have those returns agreements, which any arrangement is going to need. The only way to fully stop the boats is to process claims abroad, we can do that and still remain signatories of the refugee act. It’s that or remove ourselves from the refugee act and say we will no longer be accepting asylum seekers. To eradicate that route entirely, they’re the only two options.
The numbers being what they are is a lot more complex a conversation tbh! It’s only going to get worse for lots of reasons. I agree that reducing them isn’t likely, not with either the current or future state of the world.
metalblue
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That’s like protesting that shoplifting is getting media coverage when the vast majority pay for their shopping
meltonblue
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It’s really not. No one has an issue with someone paying for their shopping, obviously. Plenty do with the amounts of legal migration as well as what they consider illegal, the latter getting a lot more coverage. That’s also with them not having an agreed definition nowadays.
That’s not to say it isn’t valid to have an argument about either, there’s valid arguments against and for both.
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metalblue
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Legal migration isn’t really in the news, illegal immigration is the main story.
Hardly worth a question on Question Time last night. It didn't stop someone thinking it was a failure that 46 had gone to France under the scheme but 23 had come from France. "It's not even one for one..."