The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

mancboy said:
See this is what i hate, if we are going to get into politics and region specific things then we should also talk about the american weapons flooding multiple countries, does that make all american owners complicit in any atrocities that are happening within those countries or is it a bit more complex than that.

it is such a massively simplistic way of viewing a hugely complex situation to suggest that a businessman who also happens to be part of the government in the uae is directly responsible for events happening in a foreign country unless you want to make that leap to use it as a stick to beat city.

Now i am not saying that the discussions shouldnt be had what i am saying is that we really need to break away from the hivemind idea that all the middle east is bad and directly responsible for any issues that happen in any other country just by association which is what the bots on social media and the myopic british press want you to believe and delve into the nuances and realities which cross all borders and countries and not take such a simplistic view of brown skin middle eastern people are bad and white british and american people are good, its just not that simple.
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The American owners aren’t second in command in the US govt though. Mansour is in UAE.

I’m part of it n’all though, I’ve swept it under the carpet like all of our fanbase has.

But the UAE govt are the main supplier of arms, funds and intelligence to the RSF who are committing genocide in Sudan.

The UAE also have torture prisons in Yemen, have control of the shipping lanes and ports in Yemen (220k Yemenis, including 90k children, have died of starvation and preventable disease due to UAE’s control on where and who food and medical aid is delivered to and who it isn’t) and fund groups to assisinste their Yemeni rivals.

And it’s the opposite of your daft last paragraph. Our fanbase are up in arms about what the ‘white British’ govt are doing in Israel and are silent on what the ‘brown skin middle eastern’ govt who have a DPM/VP with links to our club are doing in Sudan and Yemen.
 
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.db. said:
The American owners aren’t second in command in the US govt though. Mansour is in UAE.

I’m part of it n’all though, I’ve swept it under the carpet like all of our fanbase has.

But the UAE govt are the main supplier of arms, funds and intelligence to the RSF who are committing genocide in Sudan.

The UAE also have torture prisons in Yemen, have control of the shipping lanes and ports in Yemen (220k Yemenis, including 90k children, have died of starvation and preventable disease due to UAE’s control on where and who food and medical aid is delivered to and who it isn’t) and fund groups to assisinste their Yemeni rivals.
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You seem far more educated on the subject than me and i was being quite general in my viewpoints but i do still stand behind the theory that the situation is entirely more nuanced than the idea the mansour is a bad person because of the position that he currently holds
 
Can someone provide a factual non opinion piece on this i could read?, obviously the press dont seem to care much but i would like to understand the whole situation better from its beginnings.
 
.db. said:
To be honest, this is something that is very much swept under the carpet with our fanbase with regards to our majority shareholder.

You only have to look at the Middle East thread on this website to see that many City fans have a strongly passionate voice of morality around our govt’s involvement with Israel and what Israel have been doing in Gaza, yet our fanbase are almost completely silent around Mansour being the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of UAE and seeing their involvement in Sudan and Yemen.

Could you imagine what we’d say to Rags if the Glasers were into some appalling murderous shit?
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Im curious you seem intent on absolutely laying the blame for this at mansours door, even tho there is an entire government surrounding him and not only that he is NOT the current president of this government, can i ask why that is?
 
hilts said:
Can someone provide a factual non opinion piece on this i could read?, obviously the press dont seem to care much but i would like to understand the whole situation better from its beginnings.
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Those reports from Al Jazeera, Reuters, Chatham House, Sudan post and Newyork times aren't opinions of the reporters, those are reports from the UN, investigations and evidences that have been compiled over the years. If the facts there aren't factual enough, then I'm afraid you might want to go looking for "alternative facts" like the conservatives say in America
 
Fiftyyearsandcounting said:
Double commentators must be one of the worst innovations in TV coverage. Two guy having a conversation and paying little attention to the actual game.
The attack you mentioned is probably the same one that frustrated me. A City counter attack, several clever passes but not a mention until Bobb had a shot on goal.
You can couple poor commentating with the camera focusing on replays of corners, fouls, managers, crowd reaction and players spitting and not what's happening on the field. Particularly when you can hear the crowd getting excited by something.
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When watching cycling i enjoy the co commentaries. Informative and knowledgeable both of the racing and the surrounding area and buildings.
 
Instead of posters trying to score points, surely this is down to the extent of media coverage? I think the reason why there isn't as much "concern" about this is simply because it's not headline news in the UK every day and therefore many people are unaware. Channel 4 News is our news channel of choice at home and they have been reporting on what's going on in Sudan to be fair but not to the same extent as Gaza. Flip the extent of the coverage around and there would be a lot more concern. Just like when the Ethiopian famine hit the main BBC News headlines in 1984, all of a sudden millions of people became aware and sat up and took notice. Same with the Rwandan genocide in 1994. So to say people care more about Palestinians or people don't care much about Africans is simplistic. If you want to lay the blame at anyone's door, don't go blaming Joe Public - blame the media for their lack of coverage of certain atrocities.
 
mancboy said:
Im curious you seem intent on absolutely laying the blame for this at mansours door, even tho there is an entire government surrounding him and not only that he is NOT the current president of this government, can i ask why that is?
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Where have I laid it at Mansour’s door? I don’t seem intent on anything other than raising an issue I think our fanbase should start to consider.

All I’ve said is that he’s not just some businessman from UAE, he’s the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of the govt there and he’s the one linked to our club so he should be the topic of conversation with our fanbase.

I do think this is something our fanbase should start look at even if it makes them uncomfortable, and not just blame the media, rival fans and bots on social media for bringing it up.

I used to sweep this under the carpet myself, but maybe it’s time we stopped doing that as a fanbase?
 
M18CTID said:
Instead of posters trying to score points, surely this is down to the extent of media coverage? I think the reason why there isn't as much "concern" about this is simply because it's not headline news in the UK every day and therefore many people are unaware. Channel 4 News is our news channel of choice at home and they have been reporting on what's going on in Sudan to be fair but not to the same extent as Gaza. Flip the extent of the coverage around and there would be a lot more concern. Just like when the Ethiopian famine hit the main BBC News headlines in 1984, all of a sudden millions of people became aware and sat up and took notice. Same with the Rwandan genocide in 1994. So to say people care more about Palestinians or people don't care much about Africans is simplistic. If you want to lay the blame at anyone's door, don't go blaming Joe Public - blame the media for their lack of coverage of certain atrocities.
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Small problem with this is that the media reports could provider further damning evidence to the clubs association to the UAE and then other media houses with questionable intentions could use that as more firepower to attack the club, a few fans might fold under these constant attacks and the next thing you know, you start seeing comments on social media like "So what if the UAE supports this and that" or "there's an agenda" at which point our fans and the club would look deplorable.

This whole thing looks ugly already as is and could even get uglier. It's an absolute mess
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Small problem with this is that the media reports could provider further damning evidence to the clubs association to the UAE and then other media houses with questionable intentions could use that as more firepower to attack the club, a few fans might fold under these constant attacks and the next thing you know, you start seeing comments on social media like "So what if the UAE supports this and that" or "there's an agenda" at which point our fans and the club would look deplorable.

This whole thing looks ugly already as is and could even get uglier. It's an absolute mess
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Sorry, yes. I was just referring to those who thing people only care about what's going on in some countries but not others.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
It's not Israelis doing it so the usual suspects aren't frothing at the mouth. None of them were remotely bothered about a true genocide in Darfur. There won't be marches in London or Manchester this weekend and Bob Vulcan won't be leading a chant of "Death to the RSF". Pep won't be urging people to take to the streets of Barcelona over it.

And Sudan isn't an isolated clusterfuck in Africa either, so you have to ask the question whether decolonialism was really the right thing to do. By supposedly setting colonies "free" we've condemned the population of many of those countries to a life of oppression and misery, with their wealth being plundered egregiously, but from within this time.
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No need for genocide point scoring.

The UN Independent International Commission has confirmed a genocide in Gaza so there's no need for anyone to use 'true genocide' (I know it came from the article first) as a way to dismiss what has occurred there.

It's also worth noting that the Russian invasion of Ukraine received much worse criticism from western media and political parties than the Israeli genocide of Gaza, so 'it's not It's not Israelis doing it so the usual suspects aren't frothing at the mouth' doesn't really hold up.

At the end of the day it's fair to say Hamas are twats, the IDF are twats, and those responsible for this are twats as well.
 
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