The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's like a lockdown during the covid19 pandemic. It is not targeted at any particular ethnic group. Rather, when the security situation deteriorates to a certain extent, we have no choice but to implement very strict measures.

You do have a choice of how you implement measures to deal with a perceived problem.

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

You do have a choice of how you implement measures to deal with a perceived problem.

The reality is closer to a form of hatred intertwined with ethnicity and religion. Group A harbors hatred toward Group B, and Group B likewise holds hatred toward Group A. Moreover, it must be acknowledged that there are certain issues within that religion itself. Rather than claiming that the religion is being oppressed, it would be more accurate to say that those people are being oppressed by their religion. The situation differs significantly from the common perception held by many in the West.

 

[Manchester33]

Is there any independent, primary evidence at all linking Sheikh Mansour to the accusations against him?

There is evidence in the form of US intelligence reports that they intercepted multiple telephone calls between HHSM and the leader of the RSF.

Also, multiple face to face meetings between the two over the years (at trade fairs and the like around the Middle East).

Also reports that weapons (drones and missiles) were smuggled into Sudan for the RSF, courtesy of the UAE via Chad under the guise of humanitarian aid.

The UAE has denied this outright however.

Fundamentally there is plenty of evidence proving a link between HHSM and the RSF, but the length and breadth of it hasn’t been determined by an independent panel (yet).

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

There is evidence in the form of US intelligence reports that they intercepted multiple telephone calls between HHSM and the leader of the RSF.

Also, multiple face to face meetings between the two over the years (at trade fairs and the like around the Middle East).

Also reports that weapons (drones and missiles) were smuggled into Sudan for the RSF, courtesy of the UAE via Chad under the guise of humanitarian aid.

The UAE has denied this outright however.

Fundamentally there is plenty of evidence proving a link between HHSM and the RSF, but the length and breadth of it hasn’t been determined by an independent panel (yet).

Can you confirm who HHSM is? From what I’ve read, it is mainly Dubai who have been supporting the RSF, and a hub for gold sales, with the head of the UAE, MBZ, having comms with the head of the RSF.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Can you confirm who HHSM is? From what I’ve read, it is mainly Dubai who have been supporting the RSF, and a hub for gold sales, with the head of the UAE, MBZ, having comms with the head of the RSF.

It's Sheikh Mansour, and there's reportedly intelligence linking him directly with the leader of the RSF.

 

[hilts]

I'm more concerned that people are only now working out that the UAE engages in geopolitical gamemanship including arming some less than moral people to achieve their aims.

Wait until you learn what Western countries have been doing in the rest of the world for about a thousand years. Or China, Japan, India, basically every regional power.

How naive are some people to the realities of the world? Wait until you work out who invented ISIS.

Not naive them lot didn't buy our club, we are replying to a thread someone created. Some dont want to accept it because winning a match is more important. We really dont need a lesson that the world is a bad place.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Not naive them lot didn't buy our club, we are replying to a thread someone created. Some dont want to accept it because winning a match is more important. We really dont need a lesson that the world is a bad place.

Maybe a lesson that the world is a complicated place? Why do you think the UAE is supporting the RSF?

Maybe there is a discussion to be had about politicians or government officials owning football clubs. But once they are approved and they are the owner, no-one can be surprised when they put the strategic interests of their nation above a tiny personal investment in a football club. Surely?

 

[hilts]

Its like these weapons cannot be traced back to maker, buyer and then supplier.

Oh well actually the inteligence reports identified them as UK build and sold to the UAE, must have been delivered to sudan by mistake probably by Evri, they alsway mess up deliveries ;-)

The delivery drivers should really stop leaving weapons behind bins and knock on the door and get a signature.

 

[hilts]

Maybe a lesson that the world is a complicated place? Why do you think the UAE is supporting the RSF?

Maybe there is a discussion to be had about politicians or government officials owning football clubs. But once they are approved and they are the owner, no-one can be surprised when they put the strategic interests of their nation above a tiny personal investment in a football club. Surely?

To me the situation is quite clear and people like to complicate or deflect to which I have no interest.

Someone made a thread
I read it and did some checking
Im not happy our owners are involved in this shit, I wish they weren't.

Thats it.

I'm aware most if not every country have done or are doing bad things.

You call it strategic interests I call it mass executions.

I've never been sycophantic towards our owners in fact many times ive said they do it for their own interests which has meant success for the club but its not for us.

People can quote every wrong deed in the world and I would agree with them, unfortunately that list includes our owner and Im not really happy with that.

That is all. I can only explain it so many times.

Now the rest of you can argue on the league table of immortality and if the sheikh is champions league or merely league two.

Maybe if you can convince enough people hes the Rochdale of badness we can still give him a banner or buy some more stuff from the club shop.

 

[halfcenturyup]

To me the situation is quite clear and people like to complicate or deflect to which I have no interest.

Someone made a thread
I read it and did some checking
Im not happy our owners are involved in this shit, I wish they weren't.

Thats it.

I'm aware most if not every country have done or are doing bad things.

You call it strategic interests I call it mass executions.

I've never been sycophantic towards our owners in fact many times ive said they do it for their own interests which has meant success for the club but its not for us.

People can quote every wrong deed in the world and I would agree with them, unfortunately that list includes our owner and Im not really happy with that.

That is all. I can only explain it so many times.

Now the rest of you can argue on the league table of immortality and if the sheikh is champions league or merely league two.

Maybe if you can convince enough people hes the Rochdale of badness we can still give him a banner or buy some more stuff from the club shop.

Fair enough. If you don't want to listen to alternative viewpoints, I will shut up :)

 

[Manchester33]

So, in other words, there is no verified, primary evidence that legally or empirically confirms HH Sheikh Mansour’s personal involvement in the genocide in Darfur.

That and the fact that the UAE flat out denied the allegations.

There is a ton of information (that seems credible) from journalistic investigations linking him to it though.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

We all failed Sudan, Gaza the world is in a mess Trump fighting seven wars and solving nothing, while innocent people are massacred and starved to death.

 

[hilts]

Fair enough. If you don't want to listen to alternative viewpoints, I will shut up :)

I did and replied to those viewpoints,:-) one can only say but yeah other countries are bad so many times though, it isn't and has never been a viable excuse for anything ever. Its used all the time in this forum, its desperation and just the usual side taking.

I mean we had one guy who was so unbothered about it he just kept repeating it:-)

Now the truth of the motives of some(not you or names coz I can't be arsed its all in the thread)

City have done well with the owner
They dont want him criticised
They dont want the media scrutiny
They would prefer it hadn't seen the light of day

If our owners had brought us nothing but relegation misery and bad football then it would be completely different. We would happily see em on their bikes, the story would be a god send.

We can either admit this truth or pretend not to, but it is the truth. Its what football fans do regards their club. Every clubs fans would be reacting in this way, unfortunately its ended up at our door.

 

[cleavers]

Oh well actually the inteligence reports identified them as UK build and sold to the UAE, must have been delivered to sudan by mistake probably by Evri, they alsway mess up deliveries ;-)

.....or Yodel, they're equally useless, probably threw them over the border from Ethiopia when nobody answered the doorbell.

 

[dublinblue12]

Mass protests on the street of the UK incoming, and in many other countries across the globe. Surely.
Or perhaps not given that it isn't Israel causing the problem.

Poor Israel, people should really get off their backs

 

[halfcenturyup]

So, in other words, it has not been confirmed that Sheikh Mansour is supplying weapons to the RSF through charitable organizations. Yet hundreds of accounts are spreading this information, and bots are appearing on forums like this one. Could it be that this is part of a campaign orchestrated by Islamists who support the SAF?

Very probably. But it's also very probable that the UAE are supplying the RSF with funding and materiel. Why shouldn't they to protect their strategic interests?

There are only two issues in my mind: first, is the UAE encouraging the RSF to use the funds and materiel to commit genocide (or at least not doing enough to rein them in) - I very much doubt the first and have no idea on the parenthesised part, and this is where I differ with my assessment of the Palestine issue - the West is clearly not doing, and has not done for years, decades even, enough to rein in the Israelis; and, second, should politicians or members of governments be allowed to own football clubs - personally, I would say no but the PL disagrees, so why should I care?

So to summarise: it is likely the UAE are supplying the RSF with funds and materiel, it is likely the UAE are, at this very moment, trying to rein in the RSF (and that won't be easy and also it won't be due to any moralising on a football forum), and it is very unlikely my assessment will change unless the killings continue without some pushback from the UAE.

Once again, I am comfortable keeping my pitchfork in the garden shed until we know more.

But I have said this so many times on here and I think I will give this thread a miss from now on.

 

[Lowtower]

There was a bit of a protest march in the city centre yesterday afternoon about 1pm-ish, about 100 people from looks of it.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

None of the accusations against Sheikh Mansour have been proven; what has been proven is that the UAE has worked hard to end this conflict through diplomacy — both through informal channels and as a member of the ALPS Group and the Quad. The party in the conflict that refuses to negotiate for peace is the SAF, while the RSF wants a civilian transitional government in which they would have representation — something the SAF rejects.

Lol

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

March 9, 2024 – Support for UN Security Council Ramadan Ceasefire
The UAE welcomed a UNSC resolution calling for a ceasefire in Sudan during Ramadan and pressed for humanitarian access.

August 14–23, 2024 – Switzerland (ALPS Talks) → August 23/30: Joint Statement
The UAE participated in the U.S.-led, Saudi- and Swiss-co-hosted ALPS process. Outcome: guarantees for safe humanitarian corridors (including the Adré border crossing and the Dabbah route); according to the statement, £5.8 million worth of relief supplies had already reached Darfur.

Late August–September 2024 – ALPS Follow-up
The group shifted to recurring, including weekly, virtual sessions to push for humanitarian access, civilian protection, and pauses in fighting.

February 11, 2025 – UAE Proposes Ramadan Ceasefire; Addis Meeting Announced
The UAE called for a ceasefire during Ramadan (rejected by the army/SAF) and announced plans for a high-level humanitarian financing meeting in Addis Ababa.

February 14, 2025 – Addis Ababa High-Level Humanitarian Conference
The UAE pledged USD 200 million (bringing its total since the start of the war to USD 600.4 million) and stressed the importance of humanitarian access.

April 9, 2025 – Public Commitment
The UAE reaffirmed its position on civilian-focused aid — USD 600.4 million since April 2023 — and highlighted its parallel diplomatic efforts on access and protection.

September 12, 2025 – Quad Ministerial Meeting and Joint Framework
The U.S., UAE, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia presented a shared roadmap for a ceasefire, humanitarian access, and a nine-month civilian transition following a three-month humanitarian truce. The statement condemned external military support to the warring parties.

September 14, 2025 – AUC & IGAD Welcome Quad Outcome
The African Union and IGAD expressed support and coordination with the Quad framework, aligning it with the Jeddah process.

October 25, 2025 – Quad in Washington: Joint Operational Committee
The UAE joined other Quad members in establishing a Joint Operational Committee to follow up on ceasefire implementation, humanitarian access, and the transition plan.

October 30, 2025 – UN Security Council (Emergency Session)
The UAE’s UN mission urged the parties to return to negotiations and announced an additional USD 100 million for lifesaving assistance.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of social media ‘experts’.

 

[M18CTID]

To me the situation is quite clear and people like to complicate or deflect to which I have no interest.

Someone made a thread
I read it and did some checking
Im not happy our owners are involved in this shit, I wish they weren't.

Thats it.

I'm aware most if not every country have done or are doing bad things.

You call it strategic interests I call it mass executions.

I've never been sycophantic towards our owners in fact many times ive said they do it for their own interests which has meant success for the club but its not for us.

People can quote every wrong deed in the world and I would agree with them, unfortunately that list includes our owner and Im not really happy with that.

That is all. I can only explain it so many times.

Now the rest of you can argue on the league table of immortality and if the sheikh is champions league or merely league two.

Maybe if you can convince enough people hes the Rochdale of badness we can still give him a banner or buy some more stuff from the club shop.

Think you meant to say immorality ;)