The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

M18CTID said:
Not a chance any of those three will do that. Farage is too far up Trump's arse, Badenoch is worse than useless, and Starmer is too shit-scared of upsetting him
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That sounds like you think Ed Davey wrote to them with some expectation that they would do as he suggests.
 
Manc in London said:
The BBC has got too big and most likely gone too far in terms of diversification. It must be near impossible to effectively manage output across all of its business.

I don't think it is bias towards one group or another in favour of some political party, position or political agenda. If anything, it has probably fallen in to the trap of trying to please everyone.

Maybe it is about time it is broken up into separate, but state owned, businesses.

People forget about much of the great work they do. They still produce the highest quality news programmes, documentaries and dramas (some commissioned, I know), as well as great education resources.

It is telling that many of those who are among the biggest critics of the BBC are those who do not have the public interest at heart, such as big business, pressure owning tax exiles and far right organisations.
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errr - cuts to their income has seen it greatly reduced in recent years. For example BBC local Radio if you listen to it has been decimated. Up here in the North East we had local radio that covered separately North Yorkshire, the Teesside and Country Durham, Wearside, Tyneside then Northumberland. Now they have a few localised slots but for most of each day there is one presenter playing music and gabbling on across all the North East. Especially overnight.

So what you say? Well each local area covered local things. You have a flower show in Nth Yorks - the local radio would interview and promote it. There's a kids dance event in Stockton-on-Tees the local radio will do the same - and the same across the whole area. A lot of those overnight presenters in various areas had loyal followers providing an almost therapeutic service to people who lets face it are licence payers. For the rest I suggested - yeah some of them get coverage but they compete against one another to get airtime and is a flower show in Northallerton relevant to a listener in North Shields?

And thats symbolic of the damage and the cuts that have taken place to appease a certain Political demographic. As an aside you could see the direction of travel as when he was PM Sunak couldn't take a shit without BBC Local Radio in North Yorkshire reporting on it but when he rushed to the polls and the writing was on the wall he became the invisible man.
 
mexico1970 said:
They lied, they were wrong and they weren't honest, this has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with them.

I hope the whole lot folds.
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If you think they were wrong, you’re saying that Trump didn’t question the legality of the election results and didn’t encourage an insurrection. He did.

What he didn’t do was say the words in his speech in the order that they portrayed, that doesn’t negate the sentiment. The rioters on the capitol have said that themselves in their defences when they went on trial.

It is absolutely right people have lost their job over it as that’s still not acceptable at all for the bbc to splice edits the way they did, but this isn’t even the worst thing the bbc have done, let alone anyone else. It’s as big a story as it is entirely because it concerns Trump.

We now have a foreign head of state’s comms department telling us what news we should consume. Is that really what you want to see? As that seems to me to be further away from impartiality and no political interference than we’ve ever been.
 
meltonblue said:
If you think they were wrong, you’re saying that Trump didn’t question the legality of the election results and didn’t encourage an insurrection. He did.

What he didn’t do was say the words in his speech in the order that they portrayed, that doesn’t negate the sentiment. The rioters on the capitol have said that themselves in their defences when they went on trial.

It is absolutely right people have lost their job over it as that’s still not acceptable at all for the bbc to splice edits the way they did, but this isn’t even the worst thing the bbc have done, let alone anyone else. It’s as big a story as it is because it concerns Trump.

We now have a foreign head of state’s comms department telling us what news we should consume. Is that really what you want to see? As that seems to me to be further away from impartiality than we’ve ever been.
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They altered what he said, they were wrong and most people know that.

The TDS on here is off the scale, thank fuck it's just a loud minority that think this way.
 
mexico1970 said:
They altered what he said, they were wrong and most people know that.

The TDS on here is off the scale, thank fuck it's just a loud minority that think this way.
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I said they altered what he said, are you arguing he didn’t mean the same sentiment as they were conveying?

As that’s the only way you could think it’s “TDS” and you’d be arguing against the rioters themselves too if you thought that, which would be nonsensical. Or are you saying they’re the ones with “TDS” in an ironic way?

I’m assuming not as you say the “TDS” on here, I don’t get that at all tbh!
 
meltonblue said:
I said they altered what he said, are you arguing he didn’t mean the same sentiment as they were conveying?

As that’s the only way you could think it’s “TDS” and you’d be arguing against the rioters themselves too if you thought that, which would be nonsensical. Or are you saying they’re the ones with “TDS” in an ironic way?
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You haven't got a clue what he meant and again this isn't about Trump it's about the BBC lying like the cunts they are and getting found out.

This wouldn't have been news without the BBC being cunts, and this is very much TDS in action. You have quite grasped that he was voted into power again? He didn't steal the crown he was invited to serve.

Let's keep this thread about the snivelling excuse for a news channel the BBC run ehh?
 
mexico1970 said:
You haven't got a clue what he meant and again this isn't about Trump it's about the BBC lying like the cunts they are and getting found out.

This wouldn't have been news without the BBC being cunts, and this is very much TDS in action. You have quite grasped that he was voted into power again? He didn't steal the crown he was invited to serve.

Let's keep this thread about the snivelling excuse for a news channel the BBC run ehh?
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Literally everyone knew what he meant including the rioters themselves, that’s the point! Him getting into power doesn’t change that, it doesn’t mean he can rewrite history, nor can the bbc. They’ve done it through misrepresenting his speech, he’s trying to do it by legitimising his actions.

And bbc news didn’t actually make the Trump panorama programme, so it’s nothing to do with the channel. The director commissioned and signed off on it so it’s right they went.
 
meltonblue said:
Literally everyone knew what he meant including the rioters themselves, that’s the point! Him getting into power doesn’t change that, it doesn’t mean he can rewrite history, nor can the bbc. They’ve done it through misrepresenting his speech, he’s trying to do it by legitimising his actions.

And bbc news didn’t actually make the Trump panorama programme, so it’s nothing to do with the channel. The director commissioned and signed off on it so it’s right they went.
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Again this isn't about Trump being good or bad and this thread is about the cunts that are the BBC.

Stop making excuses for them, there are avenues on the board to display TDS but this is the BBC lying like fuckers again thread.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I think the ridiculous effort to be ‘impartial’ is why the BBC has been struggling for years now. Impartial doesn’t mean giving equal weight to everything, which is the rabbit hole they’ve have been going down.
Plus, it’s at the whim of every government and the threat to pull funding which has been more problematic than ever before, over the last ten years.
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I don't think it's that. I think the problem is that the BBC is trying too hard to stay relevant which clearly has required it to encroach into tabloid journalism tactics. They didn't even need to edit that video showing that Trump incited the riots because the facts speak for themselves so it was completely unnecessary to sensationalise it.

The BBC is a state broadcaster which has to be neutral and it really isn't difficult to report the facts as they exist. If the BBC abandons that impartiality then it cannot ever justify a mandatory license fee. We know programmes like Question Time can really test the boundaries however I think they do a great job at allowing balance there.

If nobody watches Panorama and they have to edit videos and apply narratives to get people to watch it then those programmes should be cancelled. The BBC doesn't exist to justify itself, it exists to give good value to license fee payers.
 
mexico1970 said:
Again this isn't about Trump being good or bad and this thread is about the cunts that are the BBC.

Stop making excuses for them, there are avenues on the board to display TDS but this is the BBC lying like fuckers again thread.
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I’m not making excuses for them, I’ve said numerous times people have been rightly sacked for it and I said earlier in the thread more should have been than have been so far.

Saying it’s TDS is moronic though and saying that they lied is just playing into exactly what he wants, which is an entirely complicit media that condones his sentiments and actions. They misrepresented his speech, they did not lie about what his followers interpreted, Shah made that point in his letter today.

His press secretary has already shown that’s what he wants too and shown why anyone rational should be wanting the bbc or someone at least to sort themselves out.
 
meltonblue said:
I’m not making excuses for them, I’ve said numerous times people have been rightly sacked for it and I said earlier in the thread more should have been than have been so far.

Saying it’s TDS is moronic though and saying that they lied is just playing into exactly what he wants, which is an entirely complicit media that condones his sentiments and actions. They misrepresented his speech, they did not lie about what his followers interpreted, Shah made that point in his letter today.

His press secretary has already shown that’s what he wants too and shown why anyone rational should be wanting the bbc or someone at least to sort themselves out.
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What's TDS is people banging on about Trump when it's the BBC that fucked about and got found out.

Their stupid verification banner lying about fact checking isn't going to be believed any more because they outed themselves as lying bastards.

No lying BBC.

No rampant TDS.

Ohh and start a thread about Trump somewhere else in the echo chamber that is the politics forum here where just like the Tunguska incident no sane fucker will ever hear or read it because most right minded people have been hoofed from it ;-)
 
mexico1970 said:
What's TDS is people banging on about Trump when it's the BBC that fucked about and got found out.

Their stupid verification banner lying about fact checking isn't going to be believed any more because they outed themselves as lying bastards.

No lying BBC.

No rampant TDS.

Ohh and start a thread about Trump somewhere else in the echo chamber that is the politics forum here where just like the Tunguska incident no sane fucker will ever hear or read it because most right minded people have been hoofed from it ;-)
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I have no idea what the Tunguska incident is but it sounds like you’ve got TDS too, albeit the other way to who you’re referring to…!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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He had me until the second sentence, and then he used the word trusted.

We thought Auntie Beeb was trustworthy but she's been lying to us for decades going all the way back to the miners strike, if not before.

Editing footage to make it look like the miners attacked the police first, when the opposite happened and the police attacked the miners, at the so called battle of Orgreave.

Lesson learned? No, we'll continue to edit footage to make it seem like something that has happened, actually happened differently.

All this is done to sway public opinion. They aren't in the job of swaying public opinion. The toffee nosed cunts are there to report factually, nothing more nothing less. If that brief is beyond them.

Tell me the truth, and I'll make my own mind up.
 
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