Me too. Most games leave me a bit cold but Sunday reminded me of how it used to be.
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Statement from fan groups ahead of new season
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Me too. Most games leave me a bit cold but Sunday reminded me of how it used to be.
They shoulder all of the blame, the boardroom and directors are the ones who set the ticket prices and initiatives. Nobody else does.Our system regarding tickets and everything that involves as been a disgrace for too long. People at boardroom level get paid the big bucks. Therefore shoulder some of the blame.
Soriano included.
The kings shilling springs to mind.
Saddleworth2
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good luck getting a response from her. If you don't, email Lee who I think is chairman.Thanks mate
I did include the previous correspondence in all my mails to them and when i spoke to them yesterday they had it on file.
I have emailed Angela Worall @ City Matters. Where can I get Danny's email address from, I'll send him an email too?
Centurions
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Given they've already announced 4,000+ new season/flexigold tickets for next season (half ring-fenced for juniors) I'm not sure that's true.Hopefully it doesn't come to that Blue, need as many of us as possible standing together against whatever rubbish they try on us next. A small part of me still hopes we can overturn this 10 game limit.
I'm worried they're trying to get rid of/put off as many as possible from renewing this year. We still haven't heard the renewal rates..
It's obvious that you're a bit early for next seasons prices, but there will be (hopefully) a lot more information released early in the new year about the expanded north stand. Given the relocates from the back of the bottom tier we should get at least an indication of what the landscape looks like going forward.
I'm a glass half full guy as I'd worry about disappearing down a rabbit hole otherwise. With the mass lowering of the matchday tickets and freezing of ST prices this season I think they may just surprise you (maybe).
Marvin.
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Don't be an idiotHopefully it doesn't come to that Blue, need as many of us as possible standing together against whatever rubbish they try on us next. A small part of me still hopes we can overturn this 10 game limit.
I'm worried they're trying to get rid of/put off as many as possible from renewing this year. We still haven't heard the renewal rates..
Centurions
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That's rather harsh for you Marvin :)Don't be an idiot
My point was that the poster concerned blamed Soriano. Yes, criticism of the club MAY be valid but no ordinary City fan has sufficient information to blame one man & we should not forget what a great job the board have done apart from this ticket issue. It seems all clubs are taking similar steps so they need to come out and tell us why.Our system regarding tickets and everything that involves as been a disgrace for too long. People at boardroom level get paid the big bucks. Therefore shoulder some of the blame.
Soriano included.
The kings shilling springs to mind.
Could you just say WHY you think the club would want this - as opposed to wanting a full ground and good atmosphere?Hopefully it doesn't come to that Blue, need as many of us as possible standing together against whatever rubbish they try on us next. A small part of me still hopes we can overturn this 10 game limit.
I'm worried they're trying to get rid of/put off as many as possible from renewing this year. We still haven't heard the renewal rates..
Sure, they want to increase corporate like all TOP clubs (we’re not ickle citeh any more -we’re a major world class club & should be proud of that) but the aim is surely to have full stadium every week and a higher capacity
The work & development of the ground has already ensured the selection of our stadium for major international games - again enhancing our profile.
The stronger we become the harder it will be for the red cartel to use the PL & UEFA to attack us.
M18CTID
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He might not be the sole instigator but you’d have to be a fool to think he’s not been heavily involved in a lot of these decisions that have been pissing off long-standing fans. Put another way, it’s certainly not some randomer in the ticket office who’s responsible. Maybe you missed the post by @Prestwich_Blue recently about his own experiences and how Soriano views us legacy fans with disdain. Maybe you missed the video where Soriano basically speaks of turning us into Disneyland. Pep often speaks of wanting a great atmosphere and he’s definitely on the side of the fans on that, but at the same time his mate Soriano is complicit in turning more and more areas of the ground into corporate sections.Whilst I disagree with the clubs policy re the 10 attendance requirement- I don’t believe you can point to Soriano as the problem.
We mustn’t have short memories like some fans of raggy clubs. When City were taken over & the Spaniards started their work, including appointing Pep, we were raving about the quality of our management
Where is your evidence that Soriano is the sole instigator?
I’ll make it clear that I have no problem with Soriano being employed by the club - he clearly brings a lot to the table in helping raise the global profile of the club, but he should be nowhere near any ticketing decisions. Someone with a bit more understanding and compassion for what being a football fan is about needs to be in charge of the decision making. It’s entirely possible to make this club a global behemoth by catering for every demographic of football fan - be it legacy fans, new fans, overseas fans, and corporate hospitality fans - and taking us all on this journey without alienating any of those groups.
Marvin.
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Fans are right to protest about ticket prices and season ticket availability but City's owners are not trying to cannibalise their own supporter base. i suspect the underlying argument is that City are trying to destroy so called 'legacy' supporters and bring in what they see as 'foreign tourists'. I don't like that argument.That's rather harsh for you Marvin :)
Centurions
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100% on your last sentence at least. As Sherlock would say, "There's something afoot Watson". I wonder if it's a football wide attempt to crack down on the tout agencies (perhaps not just football) and to try and reset the system. Letting everyone know if so, isn't going to affect it as the touts will know what's happening regardless.My point was that the poster concerned blamed Soriano. Yes, criticism of the club MAY be valid but no ordinary City fan has sufficient information to blame one man & we should not forget what a great job the board have done apart from this ticket issue. It seems all clubs are taking similar steps so they need to come out and tell us why.
Picking out Soriano (or any individual) is just typical lazy online behaviour.
Centurions
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No disagreement from me Marvin.Fans are right to protest about ticket prices and season ticket availability but City's owners are not trying to cannibalise their own supporter base. i suspect the underlying argument is that City are trying to destroy so called 'legacy' supporters and bring in what they see as 'foreign tourists'. I don't like that argument.
East Level 2
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While that often appears to be the case I have to say it's bollocks. They want to reduce the number of STs but a ground full of tourists will never happen as the demand simply isn't there.I don't think the club wants any season ticket holders.
A ground full off tourists would be perfect.
Play a fake atmosphere over the speakers.
Everyone pays loads of money for a ticket.
Goes to the shop.
Spends loads.
Puts plenty of videos on tiktwat.
Repeat the week after
It's my belief we'll fail to fill the new seats much of the time and the club will have to relent on various silly schemes such as restricting ST transfers and minimum number of attendances. We don't have the fanbase to fill the seats without simplifying ticket sales and reducing match prices further. - There aren't 8,000 more tourists available.
You’ve agreed with me in a strange way if you read all my posts. I’m just stating that it’s NOT solely his responsibility & the club need to come out and tell us the reasons behind their actions. As I’ve already said - all clubs seem to be doing this & indeed, concert tickets are being flogged to outlets who are making a fortune out of them, preventing true fans attending.He might not be the sole instigator but you’d have to be a fool to think he’s not been heavily involved in a lot of these decisions that have been pissing off long-standing fans. Put another way, it’s certainly not some randomer in the ticket office who’s responsible. Maybe you missed the post by @Prestwich_Blue recently about his own experiences and how Soriano views us legacy fans with disdain. Maybe you missed the video where Soriano basically speaks of turning us into Disneyland. Pep often speaks of wanting a great atmosphere and he’s definitely on the side of the fans on that, but at the same time his mate Soriano is complicit in turning more and more areas of the ground into corporate sections.
I’ll make it clear that I have no problem with Soriano being employed by the club - he clearly brings a lot to the table in helping raise the global profile of the club, but he should be nowhere near any ticketing decisions. Someone with a bit more understanding and compassion for what being a football fan is about needs to be in charge of the decision making. It’s entirely possible to make this club a global behemoth by catering for every demographic of football fan - be it legacy fans, new fans, overseas fans, and corporate hospitality fans - and taking us all on this journey without alienating any of those groups.
There are undoubtedly some “season ticket holders” at our club who do the same.
HOWEVER, the club need to invest more time to deal with genuine fans who now can’t attend 10 times in person because they basically can’t make many midweek matches for example, because for life reasons they’ve had to move to a location from which they can only drive to a match as trains don’t serve their area & it would be ridiculous to go down into London to get a train from Euston midweek.
THESE FANS SHOULD BE GRANTED A DISPENSATION & we must ensure this is the path taken (and not now start blaming the board randomly for everything they do - forgetting what they have done & continue to do m)
Just my take on things and BY THE WAY I am majorly affected by this issue
This is my take on it too (see later post)100% on your last sentence at least. As Sherlock would say, "There's something afoot Watson". I wonder if it's a football wide attempt to crack down on the tout agencies (perhaps not just football) and to try and reset the system. Letting everyone know if so, isn't going to affect it as the touts will know what's happening regardless.
Picking out Soriano (or any individual) is just typical lazy online behaviour.
Good Clarkie :-)I don't think the club wants any season ticket holders.
A ground full off tourists would be perfect.
Play a fake atmosphere over the speakers.
Everyone pays loads of money for a ticket.
Goes to the shop.
Spends loads.
Puts plenty of videos on tiktwat.
Repeat the week after
crystal_mais
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Thanks I sent her an email with all correspondence attached and she kindly responded back saying she will raise it with the club.good luck getting a response from her. If you don't, email Lee who I think is chairman.
My point was that the poster concerned blamed Soriano. Yes, criticism of the club MAY be valid but no ordinary City fan has sufficient information to blame one man & we should not forget what a great job the board have done apart from this ticket issue. It seems all clubs are taking similar steps so they need to come out and tell us why.
Do you really think City or any other club is going to tell the fans why they make the decisions they do? Not a chance! City and other clubs only tell their fans what they are going to do when they decide to tell the fans.
When City tell the City Matters Reps their plans, it's NDA'd, so the City Matters Reps can't and won't tell the fans anything until the club tells the fans.
Tim of the Oak
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Top post mate. I agree with you.While that often appears to be the case I have to say it's bollocks. They want to reduce the number of STs but a ground full of tourists will never happen as the demand simply isn't there.
It's my belief we'll fail to fill the new seats much of the time and the club will have to relent on various silly schemes such as restricting ST transfers and minimum number of attendances. We don't have the fanbase to fill the seats without simplifying ticket sales and reducing match prices further. - There aren't 8,000 more tourists available.
I do think there are families of Blues / Haaland fans (in the low thousands) who’ve really struggled to get tickets who can fill a chunk of these seats if prices and availability are decent.
City’s Execs are about maximising revenue and they won’t want lots of empty seats. a bad image is bad for attracting sponsors.
Owners have nothing to do with this. Our majority shareholder will have nothing to do with the running of this football club. He doesn’t even own shares in City, he owns shares in the CFG who own City. He owns those shares to earn money back off them either from dividends or by selling some of those shares over time as the share price increases. He’s a high ranking politician and member of a royal family who also has many investments around the world other than the CFG, he’s not going to be involved in decision making at City.Fans are right to protest about ticket prices and season ticket availability but City's owners are not trying to cannibalise their own supporter base. i suspect the underlying argument is that City are trying to destroy so called 'legacy' supporters and bring in what they see as 'foreign tourists'. I don't like that argument.
City are run by the CFG boardroom members and directors. Even the Chairman has been ignored when he’d suggested not to put ticket prices up one year and the boardroom just went ahead and did it anyway. But even then, he’s the ones who labelled us as ‘legacy fans’, I’d never heard that term before al Mubarak said it on one of his end of season interviews.
Plus it doesn’t matter if you don’t like that argument, it’s an argument with merit based on peoples’ experiences.
11 ST price rises in 14 years have seen many local fans fall away from the support and it took a series of protests to stop it being 12 in 14 years. Constant matchday price hikes stops local fans being able to even justify going to one-off games, again if it wasn’t for the protests these tx would probably be a few quid dearer than the ridiculous prices they were in the last few years. They've even doubled the price of kids’ tickets for the early round domestic Cup games in 5 years and they were the games many priced out locals did try and come to. With new contracts with an ever growing group of worldwide ticket tout partners, it shows that foreign tourists are very much the clientele City have tried to increase in attending City games.
Since Covid, probably half of all games we’ve played at the Etihad, I’ve had some foreign attendee, often who doesn’t even support City, sat next to me. Groups of tourists are all over the place on CL nights and the big PL games, often fans of the opposition. Even at away games there are rows of attendees who don’t support City from different countries: there have been Belgians, Germans, Croatians, Majorcans and Catalans all sat in a row together at big away games at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and then even at Ipswich. These are oniy the ones we have clocked, there could easily be further examples who’ve just gone unnoticed as they’ve tried to blend in more than the cunts in Barça shirts or Haujduk Split scarves. There was even one fucking idiot at Anfield last season wearing a United hat in the City away end (that’s not a mistake in stadium I’ve typed there; I do mean a United hat wearing wanker in City’s away end at Liverpool’s Anfield stadium!).
They don’t even care whether these people are City fans or not, just get the tourist revenue flowing because that’s where the money comes from with regards to ticketing. If ‘legacy’ fans fall away from the support in the meantime, the boardroom do not give a shit.
On the trophy tours we’ve had in our recent run of success, do you know how many times those trophies have come to Wythenshawe, as one example? Or Altrincham, or Stockport, or Oldham, or Warrington…(It’s none, by the way)… yet there’s loads of social media coverage of them being in Boston or Brisbane or Bangalore or wherever it is they’ve been taking them to. There was one year where the trophies were in the City Arndale store for one afternoon and that’s all the Manchester public got for the entire trophy tour.
City are very much targeting worldwide tourists and they don’t care whether local fans fall away from the support or get to experience things like the rest of the world does. Like City’s Chief Marketing and Fan Experience Officer, Nuria Tarre, made a very timely and purposeful point of saying (right in the middle of a highly sensitive time with our fanbase about ‘legacy’ fans being priced out and ticket tout companies on the rise); ‘99% of our fans are outside of Manchester so we need to find ways to engage with them as well, delivering the best fan experience possible’.
It was only the embarrassment they got from our protest last season that changed anything. Otherwise the ‘99%’ would still be their priority. Well, they still are, but at least we made the club make a gesture for them to save face with their reputation for a short while as they have given in to us and frozen ST prices, reduced the stupidly high match ticket prices and finally opened up a few more STs for people.
But even then, look at the rows and chunks of empty seats grouped together at all games this season. Clearly they are groups of tickets that have been dished out to the ticket tout partners which they couldn’t sell because the tourists don’t fancy us as much at the moment because we’re not the champions. It’s even been seen multiple times this season where the official City ticket site has even got down to 0, SOLD OUT, for a home game… then all of a sudden 350 more tickets, often grouped together, have appeared on the planner. Again, obviously returned from ticket tout partners because tourists haven’t taken them up.
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