The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

The perfect fumble said:
I do care about the bias across the piste because it speaks to an entrenched mindset, a group think that ring fences certain issues where only one opinion is allowed, only one opinion is the "truth" and that is the only opinion broadcast. And I care because the BBC's impartiality is supposed to be its bedrock.

But I don't care that much because I kinda gave up on the BBC years ago.

I only really get vexed about the BBC's institutional capture by the likes of the widely discredited Stonewall and Mermaids and assorted gender ideologues that sees them pumping out damaging propaganda that hurts vulnerable children and undermines women's rights and gay rights, particularly lesbian's rights.

All I see in this thread is battle lines drawn, that the BBC is being attacked and it must be defended at all costs and all those who take a nuanced view are trashed. Our public broadcasting must be defended, I agree wholeheartedly with that, but not uncritically, nor should folk rally to the BBC's defence simply because they despise some of its detractors, the all too obvious bad faith actors with nefarious motives.

The BBC is not above reproach simply because the Telegraph and GB News hate it, and not all those folk who are unhappy with the BBC are Telegraph reading GB news watchers, those folk rallying to the defence of the BBC do their cause no good whatsoever by assuming that they are.
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You say your view is nuanced but do you not think for a second you have your own biases, that are no different to the "bad faith actors" you talk about? These biases are leading you to push your own agenda.
 
mexico1970 said:
Infamy, they've all got it infamy.

The way to judge which slant the BBC has on politics is which side is criticising them? Certainly isn't the left.

But they are trying to please both sides? That stance is patently ridiculous.
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That really is ridiculous. The right wing media criticises their competitor... and that indicates it must be biased to the left?

Just think about it. Who's telling you it's only the right which alleges that the BBC is biased?

Same with being anti-Israel.... why did this story get so little coverage in the UK? Did the BBC cover it at all (other than in print)?

www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli settlers set fire to Palestinian warehouse and land as West Bank attacks surge

Several Palestinians were also injured when settlers launched arson attacks targeting an industrial area, a Bedouin village, and farmland east of Tulkarm.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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hcblue95 said:
You say your view is nuanced but do you not think for a second you have your own biases, that are no different to the "bad faith actors" you talk about? These biases are leading you to push your own agenda.
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That would be true if I were pushing an agenda, but I'm not.

I don't demand that the BBC must agree with me

My only stance on this is that if the BBC is supposed to be impartial and it is incontrovertibly shown not be the case on the issues that matter to me, then they should address that and if they don't then they lose my unconditional support.

There are two issues at stake here, the necessity for a strong public broadcaster and the present state of the BBC, the former has my unconditional support the latter does not.
 
The perfect fumble said:
That would be true if I were pushing an agenda, but I'm not.

I don't demand that the BBC must agree with me

My only stance on this is that if the BBC is supposed to be impartial and it is incontrovertibly shown not be the case on the issues that matter to me, then they should address that and if they don't then they lose my unconditional support.

There are two issues at stake here, the necessity for a strong public broadcaster and the present state of the BBC, the former has my unconditional support the latter does not.
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"Pro Palestinian, pro gender ideology, anti Trump." "The BBC is institutionally captured".

That's pushing an agenda. Your agenda.

If you can't see that then you are so far down the rabbit hole.
 
hcblue95 said:
"Pro Palestinian, pro gender ideology, anti Trump." "The BBC is institutionally captured".

That's pushing an agenda. Your agenda.

If you can't see that then you are so far down the rabbit hole.
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Those are the accusation, if these accusations have no validity I'm happy to be proved wrong but as far as I'm aware they have some substance otherwise why would the BBC director general Tim Davie and CEO of News Deborah Turness have resigned?

That's the issue, from where I'm standing, I'm the only one in here not diving down rabbit holes in a desperate attempt to divert.

Facts matter you know, that Panorama Trump documentary didn't edit itself. The absence of counter arguments to gender ideology on the BBC is an incontrovertible fact, no one at the BBC is denying it. The disparity between the BBC's domestic coverage of Gaza and the BBC Arabic coverage is not being contested, these are the "mistakes" that Davie and Turness have referred to and they're the reason they resigned.

From where I'm standing the sun is shinning, but you it seems are completely in the dark, denial is not a defence and doubling down on denial is not a convincing argument.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Those are the accusation, if these accusations have no validity I'm happy to be proved wrong but as far as I'm aware they have some substance otherwise why would the BBC director general Tim Davie and CEO of News Deborah Turness have resigned?

That's the issue, from where I'm standing, I'm the only one in here not diving down rabbit holes in a desperate attempt to divert.

Facts matter you know, that Panorama Trump documentary didn't edit itself. The absence of counter arguments to gender ideology on the BBC is an incontrovertible fact, no one at the BBC is denying it. The disparity between the BBC's domestic coverage of Gaza and the BBC Arabic coverage is not being contested, these are the "mistakes" that Davie and Turness have referred to and they're the reason they resigned.

From where I'm standing the sun is shinning, but you it seems are completely in the dark, denial is not a defence and doubling down on denial is not a convincing argument.
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If these aren't your words, you'd be better off attributing them to someone else. I haven't seen the words "bbc institutionally captured" anywhere, so I think they're your beliefs that you're putting across as general accusations from others.

In my view you're very dishonest, so I think best to leave it there and I won't quote you again. Have a good one.
 
Heard a Tory advisor say that he always though the BBC was biased and hardly ever watched until Labour came in and now he’s an avid viewer.

I’ll admit, BBC is my go to source to get a non-partisan report and I do my own research from there. Yes, they sometimes have me wondering if there’s a personal opinion in there, especially with politics, but generally they give the factual detail and try to give an informed opinion.

The BBC will always get backlash from either side, that’s why they try so hard to be middle of the road and have all the commercial outlets trying to bring them down.
 
hcblue95 said:
If these aren't your words, you'd be better off attributing them to someone else. I haven't seen the words "bbc institutionally captured" anywhere, so I think they're your beliefs that you're putting across as general accusations from others.

In my view you're very dishonest, so I think best to leave it there and I won't quote you again. Have a good one.
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You haven't seen it anywhere? You're not looking, The BBC has run for cover behind "mistakes" and if pressed further it might fess up to a few bad apples, what it will never do is admit to institutional capture, it's like the coppers, organisations hate doing that. But if the same mistakes repeat over and over and there's a clear pattern to them then they're entrenched, and if they're entrenched they're driven by persistent bias and if there's a persistent bias they've been captured.

What is clear is that you want the BBC to reflect your views, for you they're the "acceptable viewpoint", for you that's impartiality.
 
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Fuck Trump, and all those that want the death of the BBC. I used to watch the paper round-up on Sky, but gave it up a long time ago during their last attack, which was just as immense on the likes of GB Influencers, as it was in the Mail.

The BBC may not get it right all of the time, but it does for the most of the time.

Fuck Trump!
 
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