Will England ever win the world cup again?

jimharri said:
Brazil have only won ONE world cup since 2002, I think. Is it a better record than England's? Yes; of course it is. That is a VERY low bar though, to be fair. But, considering their mythical status in the football world it's a pretty meh record.
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How many countries have done better than 1 WC win since 2002?
 
I think English youth talents is producing at levels above any time in my lifetime, bar perhaps United's class of 92 or whatever year it was. Arsenal are producing so many youth talents in the last few years compared to years past when it was a rarity for anyone to make the break through. We currently have 4 academny players in the first team with Saka, Dowman, Nwaneri, Lewis-Skelly. Man City's youth production in the last 5-7 years has been pretty immense.

What England really needs to produce though is an elite DLP, it's what the side is missing, a controller. The likes of Rice and Bellingham aren't going to dictate possession in games.

Looking back the midfield of the 00s should of been built around Scholes and Carrick, with Gerrard and Lampard being situation as a 10 and a wide player while the better passers controlled the game.
 
HelloCity said:
How many countries have done better than 1 WC win since 2002?
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I'm guessing by your question that it's none. My turn now; how many have the status Brazil have? They're always looked at differently to other nations. They've won two World Cups in 54 years; that's not so much better than England's record, which is usually mocked.
 
I think we have a good chance to win it this time, although I’ve been saying that the last few tournaments. We have had the players to do so but not had the manager. Maybe have do this time with Tuchel. It would be great if we do.
 
HelloCity said:
I think purely just because they're the most successful overall and were known for playing the best football.
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So; they're living off their (distant) past glories. Don't get me wrong; that 1970 side is arguably the best international XI that ever set foot onto a football pitch. But they've done precious little since then to earn the godlike status they seem to have in the media.
 
England are producing huge talents, front loaded wide areas, CM especially but Kane apart no elite 9 coming through.
 
Gorbachev said:
We will be out at the R16 or quarters at best.

That defence we have is Europa League level at best and until Kane can prove he can do it in a big game, we will always come up short for a world class moment from a striker.
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The defence England have at the moment is better than Argentina's backline in 2022.

The back four that started the final played for, at the time, Atletico Madrid (Molina), Spurs (Romero), Benfica (Otamendi), and Lyon (Tagliafico). The guy who scored the winning penalty was at Sevilla.

James, Stones, Guehi, O'Reilly; Livramento, Konsa, Maguire, Spence; etc. There are more names to pick from. But any combination at the back for England can be solid enough across eight games with the right methods.

I have expressed similar doubts about Kane in the past but he's at a winning club now and has the experience of those big occasions that he never had with Spurs. He's likely learned more in the last 18 months than the previous decade.

Spain are the team to beat but England have the depth and quality, and finally the right manager, to reach the very late stages of the tournament. I think they can be confident against pretty much anybody at the moment.
 
To win what is essentially a knockout cup competition by the time it gets serious, you usually need to be in a small bracket of sides who are capable of winning it under normal circumstances.

England are usually in that short list of teams these days. But to say every team who doesn't win it, is a failure, is a bit silly really. It's once every four years and there are huge variables.

Can't remember who said this but one of the pundits at the start of the last World Cup said... I can almost guarantee when we look back at the winners in a months time they will have.

* Won at least one penalty shoot out
* Had one huge game change decision go their way in at least one game
* Have kept their key players fit throughout the tournament

You only have to look at how long it took City to win The European Cup, with the best team in the competition practically every year, to appreciate the variables of knockout football.

And when you take into account that until quite recently it was almost unheard of to win the tournament outside of your own continent, when it was alternating between Europe and South America, you were really only getting a serious crack at it, once every eight years.
 
Stephen230 said:
To win what is essentially a knockout cup competition by the time it gets serious, you usually need to be in a small bracket of sides who are capable of winning it under normal circumstances.

England are usually in that short list of teams these days. But to say every team who doesn't win it, is a failure, is a bit silly really. It's once every four years and there are huge variables.

Can't remember who said this but one of the pundits at the start of the last World Cup said... I can almost guarantee when we look back at the winners in a months time they will have.

* Won at least one penalty shoot out
* Had one huge game change decision go their way in at least one game
* Have kept their key players fit throughout the tournament

You only have to look at how long it took City to win The European Cup, with the best team in the competition practically every year, to appreciate the variables of knockout football.

And when you take into account that until quite recently it was almost unheard of to win the tournament outside of your own continent, when it was alternating between Europe and South America, you were really only getting a serious crack at it, once every eight years.
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yep, spot on.
 
No we wont, we'll I doubt we will.

QFs at a max next year I think for us.

Scotland will be out group stage.

Can see Wales getting into the group stages after next years playoff but dont see Northern Ireland or ROI heading to the states.

Either way the media wankathon or discrediting of each other will be overload come June next year
 
youngbob said:
The defence England have at the moment is better than Argentina's backline in 2022.

The back four that started the final played for, at the time, Atletico Madrid (Molina), Spurs (Romero), Benfica (Otamendi), and Lyon (Tagliafico). The guy who scored the winning penalty was at Sevilla.

James, Stones, Guehi, O'Reilly; Livramento, Konsa, Maguire, Spence; etc. There are more names to pick from. But any combination at the back for England can be solid enough across eight games with the right methods.

I have expressed similar doubts about Kane in the past but he's at a winning club now and has the experience of those big occasions that he never had with Spurs. He's likely learned more in the last 18 months than the previous decade.

Spain are the team to beat but England have the depth and quality, and finally the right manager, to reach the very late stages of the tournament. I think they can be confident against pretty much anybody at the moment.
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I agree somewhat, but Messi did a Maradona with that Argentina team and what people forget is they went into that World Cup with a Copa America win behind them, so they had a team that had won honours at international level.

Had they not had Messi, they would have been out long before the final. The Netherlands were unlucky to not beat them in the quarters, they huffed and puffed against Australia in the R16.

Their run to the final was Australia, Netherlands and an ageing Croatia.

Point being is England just don't have a talisman as good as Messi or Mbappe was and is for France, and they have become perennial losers in the big moments with 2 consecutive Euros finals lost.

The only way England do it is if they have a run like Argentina did to the final in 2022, but even then I just don't see this team having the experience or know-how in the big moment.

England are the Tottenham of international football.

We think we are this big team and every now and again produce a decent team, but in reality we are just losers and the laughing stock of the world.
 
normskih said:
Are you Scottish, Welsh or NI then?
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Scottish mate. It would be hell on earth. They'd all get fucking MBEs and Knighthoods. Never hear the fucking end of it. I'd rather hear 'they think it's all over' on a loop.....

Just think of all the Crass of 92 documentaries and films and documentaries about bacon face and mentions of the Treble (that all went quiet around 3 years ago). Now times that by 100......and you still wouldn't be close.
 
England have a lot of good young players the failures of before counts against them for me.

WC or not cast your mind back to the European final 1 up 3m in and just sat back, at home at Wembley against what Italy are resilient, well we lost on pens. Had we pressed for a 2nd goal, maybe we be caught break, we iirc created sfa, Stones et a whisker away from a cross a half chance apart, nothing.

Your man Donnaruma was excellent and Pickford was also good in the shootout.

Should of rolled dice, didn't.
 
Gorbachev said:
I agree somewhat, but Messi did a Maradona with that Argentina team and what people forget is they went into that World Cup with a Copa America win behind them, so they had a team that had won honours at international level.

Had they not had Messi, they would have been out long before the final. The Netherlands were unlucky to not beat them in the quarters, they huffed and puffed against Australia in the R16.

Their run to the final was Australia, Netherlands and an ageing Croatia.

Point being is England just don't have a talisman as good as Messi or Mbappe was and is for France, and they have become perennial losers in the big moments with 2 consecutive Euros finals lost.

The only way England do it is if they have a run like Argentina did to the final in 2022, but even then I just don't see this team having the experience or know-how in the big moment.

England are the Tottenham of international football.

We think we are this big team and every now and again produce a decent team, but in reality we are just losers and the laughing stock of the world.
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1982 WC England were unlucky, won group had beaten a good France side 3-1 Robson goal early. had a second group stage in with Spain as hosts who lost to N Ireland and the disgrace was West Germany Austria 0 0

West Germany had lost 2-1 to Algeria.

5 games England unbeaten out.

86 well Maradonna goal given awful, so clear handball.
 
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