The Green Party

Semper aggressus said:
Ok, so to me they’re socialists because they’re striving towards more social equality. They increase minimum wage while imposing higher and higher taxes on savers, businesses and those of us fortunate enough to own properties and investments. All the time they refuse to be stricter on welfare, so we end up with too few people working and contributing to society, so taxes go up for the rest.

Whilst many people may welcome this, personally I do not, hence to me labour are socialists. Greens are even worse.

I’m not expecting any sympathy or many people to agree, because most people hate the wealthy and think we should subsidise the rest of society. Obviously I vehemently disagree.
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So you have just admitted you do not know anything about Socialism.
 
jacko74 said:
You're just coming at it entirely from entirely the wrong angle, of course corporate greed lies at the heart of the issue, but it's mass immigration that has allowed that corporate greed and obscene wealth accumulation to increase vastly over the course of the last two decades.

Without the huge supply of cheap labour available through mass immigration the historically unprecedented stagnation and suppression of wages we've experienced in the last two decades simply couldn't have occurred, the same applies to the erosion of workers rights and T&C's.

It's really basic and immutable economics of supply and demand in terms of the value of labour, something that has existed since even long before Capitalism.

There's no evidence at all to suggest that removing that cheap labour the corporations will respond by effectively downsizing and reducing their output and the services they provide, that's a complete anathema to the way modern day corporatism operates and would leave them vulnerable to market competition for one thing.

In the face of cutting off their cheap labour supply the corporations could possibly attempt to limit their labour costs and maintain their obscene profit margins by going down the route of technological innovation... but why is that a bad thing?
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Guess who also thought similar to you about Irish immigration into the UK?
 
jacko74 said:
Of course redistribution of wealth lies at the heart of his Marxist ideology, it's the very essence of Marxism you utter simpleton.
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No it is not that simple, you simpleton.

Marx envisioned a future where wealth isn't concentrated but is instead distributed according to need, with the community collectively owning the means of production, not through the state taxing and redistributing wealth.
 
Rascal said:
So you have just admitted you do not know anything about Socialism.
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What I know is they want to equalise wealth. They want everyone the same. I’d rather not, I like being wealthy. And if it’s earned, why not? Why would it be fair if some dosser sat at home puffing vapes and wanking had the same wealth as someone who’d worked hard and made a lot of money? Socialism is shit and unfair.
 
Semper aggressus said:
What I know is they want to equalise wealth. They want everyone the same. I’d rather not, I like being wealthy. And if it’s earned, why not? Why would it be fair if some dosser sat at home puffing vapes and wanking had the same wealth as someone who’d worked hard and made a lot of money? Socialism is shit and unfair.
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Why would that ever happen in a capitalist society?
 
Semper aggressus said:
What I know is they want to equalise wealth. They want everyone the same. I’d rather not, I like being wealthy. And if it’s earned, why not? Why would it be fair if some dosser sat at home puffing vapes and wanking had the same wealth as someone who’d worked hard and made a lot of money? Socialism is shit and unfair.
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A lot of people work hard; they work really hard, doing back-breaking manual jobs, maybe several a day, and they earn little money.

Conversely, you have the idle rich. In my experience, wealthy people rarely earn it. They were just fortunate.

But bless your simple ideas.
 
Semper aggressus said:
What I know is they want to equalise wealth. They want everyone the same. I’d rather not, I like being wealthy. And if it’s earned, why not? Why would it be fair if some dosser sat at home puffing vapes and wanking had the same wealth as someone who’d worked hard and made a lot of money? Socialism is shit and unfair.
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Semper aggressus said:
What I know is they want to equalise wealth. They want everyone the same. I’d rather not, I like being wealthy. And if it’s earned, why not? Why would it be fair if some dosser sat at home puffing vapes and wanking had the same wealth as someone who’d worked hard and made a lot of money? Socialism is shit and unfair.
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So it's true wealth isn't necessarily a product of intelligence.
 
MCFC1993 said:
They never said they're in favour of mass immigration though, they're just pro-immigration.

They're actually in favour of being a part of the EU again which meant lower immigration and generally immigration of higher skilled workers from the EU to the UK.

In general though the country needs migration to make up for labour shortages in certain sectors.
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We have a labour shortage because we have closed down industry, and for many people, settling for UC (or historically) JSA has been a viable alternative to retraining. I work for a charity in the north east and we deliver various programmes aimed at getting people into work. The amount of people we see sitting on UC, after years of working in steel or chemical & process, just counting down the years to retiring is mind boggling. We have tonnes of immigration too (approx 4k - 5k per year into the town I live in) but it's doing absolutely nothing to fix labour/skill shortages, because we are not bringing in high skilled migrants. What we tend to get is international students on degree programmes which don't at all align with the local labour market, who then end up in the deliveroo economy and/or on UC post degree.
 
Feels very much like they are doing what Reform are doing on the right - i.e., political opportunism, knowing full well they are unlikely to ever have to action their policies, which is a good job because although they produce good soundbites, they're either impossible to implement, utterly delusional or completely dishonest - particularly around energy.
 
ono said:
Feels very much like they are doing what Reform are doing on the right - i.e., political opportunism, knowing full well they are unlikely to ever have to action their policies, which is a good job because although they produce good soundbites, they're either impossible to implement, utterly delusional or completely dishonest - particularly around energy.
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The Greens should have been a powerful political force in these desperate times for the planet but are now led in this country by a dangerous weirdo/conman who I am shocked to find attended my old school (before he changed his name)
 
johnny crossan said:
The Greens should have been a powerful political force in these desperate times for the planet but are now led in this country by a dangerous weirdo/conman who I am shocked to find attended my old school (before he changed his name)
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You've got a problem with him, did he write for cock action ring Johnny 'big boy' Crossan 07431 926452 on the boys bogs door?

I apologise if this mobile number actually belongs to anyone :-)
 
hilts said:
You've got a problem with him, did he write for cock action ring Johnny 'big boy' Crossan 07431 926452 on the boys bogs door?

I apologise if this mobile number actually belongs to anyone :-)
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My time as an Old Stopfordian preceded David Paulden's by more than half a century but the fact that he emerged from my school as the careerist fraud he is still shocks. If anybody thinks Zak's political prescription for this country makes sense I can only assume they attended one of his hypnotherapy sessions.
 
johnny crossan said:
The Greens should have been a powerful political force in these desperate times for the planet but are now led in this country by a dangerous weirdo/conman who I am shocked to find attended my old school (before he changed his name)
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I've seen this mentioned a couple of times now but not really explained. What is it that's dangerous about him?
 
Main Stand Hotdog said:
I've seen this mentioned a couple of times now but not really explained. What is it that's dangerous about him?
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His spiel is that everybody has got it wrong about capitalism and its bond markets etc - they don't matter. We should just equalise the wealth in society by simply robbing those with more dosh than they need. Property is theft anyway and the newly equal people will ensure the planet is saved. I paraphrase but am still a bit giggly about the idea there were mobile phones when I was at school.
 
johnny crossan said:
My time as an Old Stopfordian preceded David Paulden's by more than half a century but the fact that he emerged from my school as the careerist fraud he is still shocks. If anybody thinks Zak's political prescription for this country makes sense I can only assume they attended one of his hypnotherapy sessions.
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Same for Farage, no?
 
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