The Green Party

johnny crossan said:
His spiel is that everybody has got it wrong about capitalism and its bond markets etc - they don't matter. We should just equalise the wealth in society by simply robbing those with more dosh than they need. Property is theft anyway and the newly equal people will ensure the planet is saved. I paraphrase but am still a bit giggly about the idea there were mobile phones when I was at school.
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The joke doesnt stand up with string and paper cups you old fart:-)
 
TinFoilHat said:
Big open goal for the greens to score.

Red Tories are floundering. Reform are starting to get their true colours revealed. Your party are spurs of UK politics and the Tories are irrelevant.

But will they Raheem it?

Probably.
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Three ways it could go I think...

1. One way or the other they Raheem it.

2. They continue to get traction, Labour doesn't respond effectively, and they become a truly significant player as the main progressive force in UK politics.

3. They continue to gain traction but this in turn pulls Labour in a more progressive direction to counter the threat and reclaim the progressive vote back from them.

If the Greens can get anywhere polling at 20% by next May and it doesn't go well for Labour in the local elections, there will be enormous pressure for Labour to change direction and presumably leadership. It's never been clear to me whether Polanski's ambitions are focused on winning the day or moving Labour to a particular place in the way UKIP/Reform have the Tories.
 
johnny crossan said:
I voted for them and against Labour for the first and only time in my life when Jezzer was leader, Zak makes him look sane.
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hilts said:
I actually wasnt talking about you there more the anti British and woke queen hawk gender fucknuts posters. They are truly insane.
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I think the Green's have 2 big problems.

1) Nuclear policy.

2) Hypno-breast enlargement.

Corbyn telling everyone he'd never push the nuclear button disqualified him as PM for a lot of people. No one wants somoene with an itchy trigger finger, but people still believe in MAD, and with tensions with Russia the highest they've been in 35 years the idea of being a defenseless target is going to turn a lot of people away.

The hypnotherapy story is just poltical krytonite, it has that Thorpe affair combination of being sexual, funny and deeply unserious, and the worst thing you can be as a political leader is a laughing stock.

If Polanski can genuinely shake off the hypno story and they really hammer home that their nuclear policy is simply no first strikes (and maybe revisit nuclear energy policy) then they could get somewhere, but until they go fully mainstream and Labour/Tory/Reform media machines really start gunning for him it's hard to see them even getting as big the Clegg Lib Dems.

They do also have a lot of weirdos in the party, I think they'll suffer from the same kind of drip feed of mental candidates/local gov politicians being unmasked that reform have.
 
domalino said:
I think the Green's have 2 big problems.

1) Nuclear policy.

2) Hypno-breast enlargement.

Corbyn telling everyone he'd never push the nuclear button disqualified him as PM for a lot of people. No one wants somoene with an itchy trigger finger, but people still believe in MAD, and with tensions with Russia the highest they've been in 35 years the idea of being a defenseless target is going to turn a lot of people away.

The hypnotherapy story is just poltical krytonite, it has that Thorpe affair combination of being sexual, funny and deeply unserious, and the worst thing you can be as a political leader is a laughing stock.

If Polanski can genuinely shake off the hypno story and they really hammer home that their nuclear policy is simply no first strikes (and maybe revisit nuclear energy policy) then they could get somewhere, but until they go fully mainstream and Labour/Tory/Reform media machines really start gunning for him it's hard to see them even getting as big the Clegg Lib Dems.

They do also have a lot of weirdos in the party, I think they'll suffer from the same kind of drip feed of mental candidates/local gov politicians being unmasked that reform have.
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You could add that his idea that the bond markets are irrelevant to the UK economy is a problem.
 
domalino said:
I think the Green's have 2 big problems.

1) Nuclear policy.

2) Hypno-breast enlargement.

Corbyn telling everyone he'd never push the nuclear button disqualified him as PM for a lot of people. No one wants somoene with an itchy trigger finger, but people still believe in MAD, and with tensions with Russia the highest they've been in 35 years the idea of being a defenseless target is going to turn a lot of people away.

The hypnotherapy story is just poltical krytonite, it has that Thorpe affair combination of being sexual, funny and deeply unserious, and the worst thing you can be as a political leader is a laughing stock.

If Polanski can genuinely shake off the hypno story and they really hammer home that their nuclear policy is simply no first strikes (and maybe revisit nuclear energy policy) then they could get somewhere, but until they go fully mainstream and Labour/Tory/Reform media machines really start gunning for him it's hard to see them even getting as big the Clegg Lib Dems.

They do also have a lot of weirdos in the party, I think they'll suffer from the same kind of drip feed of mental candidates/local gov politicians being unmasked that reform have.
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I will counter with a few points

Corbyn got pretty close, if the greens ever got that close I would be very happy, thats coalition time.

Laughing stock? Johnson Starmer Farage

Mainstream and media machines? Just as people are turning away from that.

There is a left wing and real change gap to be filled, this labour lot aren't filling it. Even today they are u turning on workers rights which they have been crowing about for years. They are charlatans.
 
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