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Brewster's millions said:
I’ve already outlined what she said to the BBC, and when she said it (10 November).

We did know the plan for investment, as it was outlined in the first two fiscal statements delivered by Reeves, and further detail was provided by the Comprehensive Spending Review in June. The cost of providing this and indeed all other borrowing was already projected in the October 24 and March 25 forecasts and was of course due to be updated in the Budget.

Reeves stated on 10 November that capital spending would need to be significantly reduced if manifesto pledges on tax were to be kept. This wasn’t the case in March, and so the only logical conclusion to draw from such a statement is that the fiscal position had deteriorated significantly, and that action would be required to avoid breaching the fiscal rules.

However we now know that Reeves was told by the OBR on 20 and 31 October that this wasn’t the case, and that the fiscal rules would in fact still be met with the existing profile of resource and capital spending, and indeed without any further increases in tax of any kind.

This is all on the record and fact, regardless of what some desperate sorts on here suggest. The only conclusion to draw is that Reeves lied about the state of the public finances and deliberately misled markets.

Given that you’re so keen to see government spending increased, and more funding provided for public services, I find it odd that you’re defending a Chancellor who deliberately provided a misleading, pejorative picture of the public finances for selfish political gain.

The OBR’s assessment of debt servicing costs have already increased by £41bn over the past year, money that could be spent elsewhere. But you seem happy defending behaviour that contributes to higher borrowing costs and weaker growth, putting further pressure on public spending.

I do find that surprising, at least with regard to yourself, if not for others on here.
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Bring back Liz Truss, BoJo and Lulu Little!
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
No offence mate but the logic here is confusing. Why do you think the government briefed significant tax rises when it knew there was no need for them an no black hole to fill?
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Not sure why I’d take offence, mate, we’re on here to debate. This is probably where I’m at cross-wires. I don’t accept, because there has been no source to confirm the detail, the premis that the ‘government briefed’ the detail.

If there is evidence out there to confirm that premis then I am all ears/eyes, but nobody in government, or the media, has given real detail of where it came from. A couple of points:

1. Was there an actual briefing by anybody or was it an assumption due to her pre-budget speech?

2. If the government briefed what the media reported, why were the government still stating that their manifesto pledge to not raise income tax, was ‘Iron clad’?

All very confusing but can only go off what we see and hear, or the lack of, in some cases.
 
Brewster's millions said:
You can’t handle the truth, and you can’t debate the actual issue, so you end up throwing around silly insults.

How embarrassing.
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YOu and the right wing press believe she lied and have a timeline to prove it. Maybe she did and if so, deserves whatever sanctions are appropriate. As did Rayner. But your position as seemingly being a "guardian" of all that is wrong only appears to be in one direction and therefore stinks of hypocrisy. Apologies if you have ever criticised Mone, but I'm sure you'll enlighten us all if you have.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a common theme.

Some seem only able to try and steer the debate around other posters.

Usually a sign they don’t feel on solid ground tbh.
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You’re the fucking worst for it. You flip flop constantly, see which way the wind is blowing then jump on that particular bandwagon with the same rhetoric as ever.
A broken record, a fucking dull one at that.

The amusing thing about this thread is however poor Labour have been, and certainly deserving of criticism, the most embarrassing posts are still made by the Tory bootlickers and wannabe Reform roundabout painting knobheads.
 
Quad said:
surprise surprise no black hole, more lies and wonder why people want change and want reform in
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That might be the reason, but personally I haven't discounted a Last of Us type scenario where there might be a new type of as yet undiagnosed fungal infection that in this case attacks the part of the brain that allows us to recognise what's in our self-interest.
 
Phil1 said:
You’re the fucking worst for it. You flip flop constantly, see which way the wind is blowing then jump on that particular bandwagon with the same rhetoric as ever.
A broken record, a fucking dull one at that.

The amusing thing about this thread is however poor Labour have been, and certainly deserving of criticism, the most embarrassing posts are still made by the Tory bootlickers and wannabe Reform roundabout painting knobheads.
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I’m glad you finally got round to discussing the Labour Party after trying to make it about me.

Well done.

Baby steps n all that.
 
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blueinsa said:
I’m glad you finally got round to discussing the Labour Party after trying to make it about me.

Well done.

Baby steps n all that.
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They came in because the last government were atrocious and nearly crippled the country.
They are now being given the opportunity to try and fix the mess but seem incapable of going a week without some kind of cockup themselves so deserve their share of criticism, but the posters who are the loudest on this thread are taking the fucking piss if they think they should be given the time of day seeing as they would gleefully have the tories back in or worse (only just mind) the racist right wing roundabout wankers.

I’m sure you’ll just wait until you see what the others think before making any decisions yourself though regarding what’s best.
 
hampshireblue said:
YOu and the right wing press believe she lied and have a timeline to prove it. Maybe she did and if so, deserves whatever sanctions are appropriate. As did Rayner. But your position as seemingly being a "guardian" of all that is wrong only appears to be in one direction and therefore stinks of hypocrisy. Apologies if you have ever criticised Mone, but I'm sure you'll enlighten us all if you have.
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I have my own opinion irrespective of what’s in the press. I’ve provided the facts to back that up.

Your perception of me is your problem.

We’re on the Labour government thread discussing the Chancellor.
 
Phil1 said:
but the posters who are the loudest on this thread are taking the fucking piss if they think they should be given the time of day seeing as they would gleefully have the tories back in or worse (only just mind) the racist right wing roundabout wankers.
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You obviously need more practice.

The Labour Government is the clue.
 
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