Is the league, for want of a better word, ‘bent’?

[Colin Bells Boots]

If you believe that then ultimately it's pointless to watch isn't it?

Not if he enjoys watching the team he supports.

Despite the above, he believes from observing a number of incidents, where the officials demonstrate that their decisions are inconsistent or biased to the point of being corrupt, due to the way that certain teams are treated by the PGMOL officials.

You say there is no clear bias, but many disagree with your opinion, and you are not the arbiter of whether he is right or wrong.

And it isn't up to anybody else to determine whether he should continue to watch games, whilst still upholding his convictions regarding the honesty of the officials.

There are so many who disagree with you, so they should all stop watching football according to you ?

 

[Allnightlong]

Go and watch them..try complain about bias refereeing all the time...I'm not saying it is....its their fans who are saying it....it will happen in all sets of fans that's the point

But we have the receipts…as in footage of shit decisions. What’s arsenals outrage, a dodgy handball at forest? which is evened out by merino not getting a second yellow against rags.
Ours aren’t getting levelled up, Rodri 93rd minute second yellow shout is not comparable.

 

[Tolmie scores]

The tolerance thing has been around for a few years, it was initially implemented by making the line linked to the defender thicker when using the VAR offside system pre-SAOT. It was announced at the time but as it was 'baked in' to the process nobody really noticed it or remembered it was part of the process.
It was allegedly being removed with the new SAOT this year as it was supposed to be super accurate, but it appears that they sometimes apply it when the SAOT doesn't work as intended, such as when there's too many players in the box or there isnt a clear camera view showing the players.
What isn't very clear is how the manual calculation of offsides works now when DAOT fails and whether this tolerance is applied automatically or whether the VAR operators have to manually add it in, whether it is added in every instance, etc

Its the lack of deliberate scrutiny of when the balls played.. so easy to manipulate the game through VAR

 

[simon23]

Not if he enjoys watching the team he supports.

Despite the above, he believes from observing a number of incidents, where the officials demonstrate that their decisions are inconsistent or biased to the point of being corrupt, due to the way that certain teams are treated by the PGMOL officials.

You say there is no clear bias, but many disagree with your opinion, and you are not the arbiter of whether he is right or wrong.

And it isn't up to anybody else to determine whether he should continue to watch games, whilst still upholding his convictions regarding the honesty of the officials.

There are so many who disagree with you, so they should all stop watching football according to you ?

many also agree with my opinion

I do believe that refereeing is inconsistent....that is the nature of human beings however...everyone makes mistakes or has different interpritations of the an incident even when looking at the same incident

I agree that it was a foul on Guehi ...only on replay did I see it but yes it was a foul...do I believe the ref made a mistake...yes..do i think it is cheating or clear bias (which is basically cheating) no. Im certainly not saying he is right or wrong....Im saying that if he fully believes that its corrupt and cheating and bent then there would be little point in watching as the outcome of games would always be against us...(which actually rarely happens)

I did not say that people should stop watching football (City) cause they disagree with me - you are misinterpriting my words completely - what I meant was that if people believe it is bent what is the point of watching...I certainly wouldnt waste my time if I believed the game was rigged...there would be no point to it

 

[simon23]

But we have the receipts…as in footage of shit decisions. What’s arsenals outrage, a dodgy handball at forest? which is evened out by merino not getting a second yellow against rags.
Ours aren’t getting levelled up, Rodri 93rd minute second yellow shout is not comparable.

they say the same..they look at incidents against them and say the same

They would say rodri should have been sent off so that evens it out with the dodgy goal for the foul on Guehi....rodri could have been sent off before he was subbed off.

The vast majority of fans are bias towards their football club so they cant look at events on the pitch impartially.....

 

[simon23]

Since I was a kid I’ve pretty much followed most sports. Grandstand was always on all day sat and after that sky sports new was the wallpaper. Over the past 30yrs I’ve whittled that down to city matches and England RU matches. I dont bother with much else due to the instagramming of most sports folk and obvious creeping manipulation of results. Im gradually moving away from watching city in person and can see a future where I don’t bother at all. So to answer your post I’m slowly beginning to agree there is no point in watching anymore.
I mentioned it to you previously but the bad sports collection of documentaries on Netflix is defo worth a go. It covers various sports and is done quite well.

Ill defo watch it ...thanks
Yes there has been match fixing in various sports (wasnt Grobbalar the Liverpool goalkeeper accused of it at some point iirc?) and there have been lots of examples in Italy (mafia) and south america I think as well. Drug cheats, in all sports ( I do believe clubs "bend" the rules on this - even Neville said he thought that there was one team that he played against that was doped up - I dont think he mentioned who it was though - he would have been sued I guess and it would have been nigh on impossible to prove 30 years later as well)

I feel sorry for you (not taking the piss btw) if you genuinely feel that way.

 

[simon23]

He’s entitled to his opinion, because as human beings we all see things differently.
You’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree that his comments are stupid.
He has raised three weeks of legitimate contentious decisions against our team. Not sporadic, week after week.
That in itself justifies raising a concern.
If the FA ban him for speaking his mind, that will feed straight into the corruption consensus / conspiracy (depending which side of the fence you’re on)
Hopefully it makes the PGMOL raise their game, I won’t hold my breath.

Yes he is entitled to his opinion but he is fucking stupid for doing it publically as he wil fully know what the consequences of it will be! - for what its worth I think the Guehi decision was a very bad one...thats where he should have stopped at....he went too far and if he gets banned then its his fault -

He will be banned for bringing the game into disrepute.....there is no argument that he hasnt done that.....

It also comes across as sour grapes and its beneath him tbh ....if he truly believes it then he raises the concerns privately and through the proper channels..Im damn sure the club have got some fine lawyers to help him with that!

 

[danielwood5]

Go and watch them..try complain about bias refereeing all the time...I'm not saying it is....its their fans who are saying it....it will happen in all sets of fans that's the point

I haven't watched them and have no interest in watching them as I don't like rugby.
You said, and I quote;
"Im taking about the fans of other teams claiming that they dont get pivotal decisions or that refs are biased against them..just go listen to the the arsenal fans for starters!!!"
I haven't spoken to, read the opinions of, or listened to any Arsenal fans but you clearly said they have been complaining about pivotal decisions going against them.
You've clearly been listening or speaking to them so what pivotal decisions are they complaining about? What pivotal decisions have you seen go against Arsenal this season?
I'm asking you as I haven't seen any of their games but you seem to have information about how all teams have been getting pivotal decisions against them this season so I'm wondering what those decisions have been in Arsenal games. Please let us all know what these Arsenal fans you've been listening to are upset about.

 

[PeterBarnesShorts]

Go and watch them..try complain about bias refereeing all the time...I'm not saying it is....its their fans who are saying it....it will happen in all sets of fans that's the point

I’m sure it does happen to another 16 sets of fans,but only 6 times(minimum) a season,..not every f’kin game tho!?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Be interesting to know if anybody on here thought that the Guehi goal should have stood?

Also, that the Palace keeper in the final should not have been sent off?

Or, if the Rashford goal should have stood?

Just a few examples, and would just like to understand why the decisions in those games were right.

 

[Pedestrian]

Ill defo watch it ...thanks
Yes there has been match fixing in various sports (wasnt Grobbalar the Liverpool goalkeeper accused of it at some point iirc?) and there have been lots of examples in Italy (mafia) and south america I think as well. Drug cheats, in all sports ( I do believe clubs "bend" the rules on this - even Neville said he thought that there was one team that he played against that was doped up - I dont think he mentioned who it was though - he would have been sued I guess and it would have been nigh on impossible to prove 30 years later as well)

I feel sorry for you (not taking the piss btw) if you genuinely feel that way.

You’ve scratched the surface of the available evidence of cheating in all professional sport. If it’s happening over there then it’s happening here. I understand why you don’t want to admit it. I reckon it comes with maturity. When you realise it’s all entertainment it becomes easier. You don’t need to feel sorry for me fella. The second time I went to war was when I realised sport doesn’t really matter.

 

[Allnightlong]

Be interesting to know if anybody on here thought that the Guehi goal should have stood?

Also, that the Palace keeper in the final should not have been sent off?

Or, if the Rashford goal should have stood?

Just a few examples, and would just like to understand why the decisions in those games were right.

Absolute game changers…… no other team has this many pivatol decisions against them.
Something is wrong somewhere.
I cannot think of any against rags, dippers gooners.

 

[Paul1970]

Ill defo watch it ...thanks
Yes there has been match fixing in various sports (wasnt Grobbalar the Liverpool goalkeeper accused of it at some point iirc?) and there have been lots of examples in Italy (mafia) and south america I think as well. Drug cheats, in all sports ( I do believe clubs "bend" the rules on this - even Neville said he thought that there was one team that he played against that was doped up - I dont think he mentioned who it was though - he would have been sued I guess and it would have been nigh on impossible to prove 30 years later as well)

I feel sorry for you (not taking the piss btw) if you genuinely feel that way.

I think it’s hr champions league final with Liverpool and Milan was corrupt becaue the way Milan capitulated in that second half when at the time they never hardly conceded was strange and if you remember the season after they got done fir match fixing also the 85 final with Liverpool and Juve was thrown as letting Liverpool win would have caused riots on a massive scale after what had happened at heysel .

 

[levets]

I find it really difficult to believe there is systematic corruption from PGMOL, however, it is clear we are NOT getting the ‘rub of the green’ and there have been so many clearly bad decisions, just this winter.
- No penalty at Newcastle on Foden
- No penalty for hand ball by Thiaw from Doku shot in same game
- Guimaraes clearly offside for their winner v Newcastle
- Bernardo goal v Sunderland disallowed despite being more ‘onside’ than Guimaraes or Wirtz with the 5cm tolerance. Where was this tolerance for Bernardo.
- Possible penalty overlooked on Gvardiol in same game.
- Semenyo goal incorrectly ruled out after nearly 6 mins of VAR deliberation in LC semi v Newcastle
- The non red card for Dalot v rags.
- Obvious penalty not given by rookie ref v Wolves, despite VAR suggesting he has a review of his onfield decision. The whole world thinks it was a penalty, except the ref.
- The foul on Guehi by Solanke yesterday, VAR failed highlight the kick through Guehi’s leg by Solanke.
- Penalty for rugby tackle on Haaland waved away because ‘the ball wasn’t in flight’

These are just since November! Any I’ve missed?

 

[simon23]

You’ve scratched the surface of the available evidence of cheating in all professional sport. If it’s happening over there then it’s happening here. I understand why you don’t want to admit it. I reckon it comes with maturity. When you realise it’s all entertainment it becomes easier. You don’t need to feel sorry for me fella. The second time I went to war was when I realised sport doesn’t really matter

Why dont i want to admit it?

Go on Dr Freud please enlighten me?

I dont agree with the idea that the game at the ref level is bent on a weekly basis to stop us winning things...thats it.

Do I think the refs performances at times are shit....yes absolutely ....did they get decisions wrong at weekend - yes...will they get more decisions wrong - yes...This happens in most games for lots of teams.

What you dont seem to be able to accept is that one ref can see one incident and make one decision and one ref will make another....its human nature and about perception...two people can see (and hear) the same incident and come out with a different perception - just like I see a different view for instance of Rodri being lucky (IMHO) to stay on the pitch - others will disagree....thats fine by me.

But the issue I have is that people are not looking enough at the performance and instead using the refs decisions as a fall back to ignore the shit performances - there isnt a single thread that is about performances which doesnt get infested by conspiracy theories....that says a lot...

If the club thinks there is something genuinely wrong with the refereeing to the point where they believe there is deliberate bias they have the power. money and people to challenge that and I would trust them to do it

 

[simon23]

I haven't watched them and have no interest in watching them as I don't like rugby.
You said, and I quote;
"Im taking about the fans of other teams claiming that they dont get pivotal decisions or that refs are biased against them..just go listen to the the arsenal fans for starters!!!"
I haven't spoken to, read the opinions of, or listened to any Arsenal fans but you clearly said they have been complaining about pivotal decisions going against them.
You've clearly been listening or speaking to them so what pivotal decisions are they complaining about? What pivotal decisions have you seen go against Arsenal this season?
I'm asking you as I haven't seen any of their games but you seem to have information about how all teams have been getting pivotal decisions against them this season so I'm wondering what those decisions have been in Arsenal games. Please let us all know what these Arsenal fans you've been listening to are upset about.

Just go and watch AFTV, or that twat goldrbridge.....Every week they complain about VAR, bias, that we are buying the league that we are treated differently, that its unfair with the 115 etc etc etc....all things that tey think the league is bias towards us for.

The fact that you dont listen to what other fans say suggests that your view of things is ONLY from one perspective (ie your and a man city perspective) which is what I have been saying - you arent seeing others perspectives on it...and if your answer to that is that you dont care what other fans think then that is where the issue lies.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Why dont i want to admit it?

Go on Dr Freud please enlighten me?

I dont agree with the idea that the game at the ref level is bent on a weekly basis to stop us winning things...thats it.

Do I think the refs performances at times are shit....yes absolutely ....did they get decisions wrong at weekend - yes...will they get more decisions wrong - yes...This happens in most games for lots of teams.

What you dont seem to be able to accept is that one ref can see one incident and make one decision and one ref will make another....its human nature and about perception...two people can see (and hear) the same incident and come out with a different perception - just like I see a different view for instance of Rodri being lucky (IMHO) to stay on the pitch - others will disagree....thats fine by me.

But the issue I have is that people are not looking enough at the performance and instead using the refs decisions as a fall back to ignore the shit performances - there isnt a single thread that is about performances which doesnt get infested by conspiracy theories....that says a lot...

If the club thinks there is something genuinely wrong with the refereeing to the point where they believe there is deliberate bias they have the power. money and people to challenge that and I would trust them to do it

Simon, you do take a contrary stance to most of these things. And even now want to argue an out for what you have seen.

Personally, I’m unsure why Blues even debate with you. Seems to be a very insecure position.

 

[simon23]

Simon, you do take a contrary stance to most of these things. And even now want to argue an out for what you have seen.

Personally, I’m unsure why Blues even debate with you. Seems to be a very insecure position.

Im more than secure with my position thanks

Im arguing cause I dont agree with the point of the thread so unless people want some sort of echo chamber where everyone just blindly agrees with everyone else Im not sure why when I genuinely believe that the point of this thread is wrong why I wouldnt disagree with that....

I take a contrary stance to this thing about refs being deliberately bias...you will find Im in total agreement with the vast majority when the point is made they are shit! I rarely comment on anything other than the matches (pre and post match), transfers and player performance threads...and then threads like this

But then again how many people on here have actually refereed a live football match at any level to know exactly how hard it is? Do we have anyone on here that has done that at any level...genuine question

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Im more than secure with my position thanks

Im arguing cause I dont agree with the point of the thread so unless people want some sort of echo chamber where everyone just blindly agrees with everyone else Im not sure why when I genuinely believe that the point of this thread is wrong why I wouldnt disagree with that....

I take a contrary stance to this thing about refs being deliberately bias...you will find Im in total agreement with the vast majority when the point is made they are shit! I rarely comment on anything other than the matches (pre and post match), transfers and player performance threads...and then threads like this

But then again how many people on here have actually refereed a live football match at any level to know exactly how hard it is? Do we have anyone on here that has done that at any level...genuine question

You keep arguing, mate.

Keep asking.

 

[simon23]

You keep arguing, mate.

Keep asking.

so do you...and others as well

and as i said i the previous post... if that happens I'll keep replying and arguing the opposite point as its what I believe and i disagree with what is being said by some

...dont like it, dont read, put me on ignore or whatever.....upto you