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[johnny crossan]

'Into power'.

I don't trust anyone who uses that sort of rhetoric.

now you're just being silly MB

 

[Metal Biker]

now you're just being silly MB

You're the one who brought it to this point. For every Labour sign i've seen, i've seen dozens of Green signs or leaflets in windows. Accept the fact knowing that South Manchester is rejecting Labour to beat Reform.

 

[johnny crossan]

You're the one who brought it to this point.

Deadly serious about the appalling domino consequences of Denton/Gorton returning a Reform MP. Trying to use the Greens to stop them seems folly to me. If you are right and it works then fair enough but all my instincts are that voting Labour is the only way to put a spoke in their evil wheel.

 

[Metal Biker]

Deadly serious about the appalling domino consequences of Denton/Gorton returning a Reform MP. Trying to use the Greens to stop them seems folly to me. If you are right and it works then fair enough but all my instincts are that voting Labour is the only way to put a spoke in their evil wheel.

Doesn't escape the fact you immediately thought I was voting Reform, when i'm posting on the Green Party thread citing how I'm voting for them on the 26th.

Seriously, you're not right in the head. You're on ignore, i'm not risking a thread ban for the likes of you.

 

[johnny crossan]

Doesn't escape the fact you immediately thought I was voting Reform, when i'm posting on the Green Party thread citing how I'm voting for them on the 26th.

Seriously, you're not right in the head. You're on ignore, i'm not risking a thread ban for the likes of you.

I didn't imply for a moment you were, you misunderstood. My point is that I believe voting Green will let Reform in.

 

[hilts]

Off their own website.View attachment 183603

You have to love someone who gives evidence contrary to what he was claiming. Pmsl.

 

[Don Karleone]

Getting Paul Mason vibes ....

Just need the chart now

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The fact you use the term MAGA shows exactly how little I value your opinion.

Thank you, MEGA.

 

[1.618034]

the problem with voting for populists on the left or right as a protest is the consequences for the country of putting a load of nutters into power.

So if The Greens win in Gorton and Denton they'll be in "power"???

Is it like next goal wins?

 

[Metal Biker]

So if The Greens win in Gorton and Denton they'll be in "power"???

Is it like next goal wins?

To Quote the recently disgraced Labour MP for the Gorton and Denton Constituency, Andrew Gwynne:
"Dear resident, Fuck your bins. I'm re-elected and without your vote. Screw you. PS: Hopefully you'll have croaked it by the all-outs".

Charming bunch of trough scoffers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You risk coming across as someone of very low intellect if you're incapable of forming a reasoned and coherent counterpoint to his position beyond calling him a fucking ****.

As someone of very high intellect, I am happy to confirm that Goodwin is a fucking ****.

 

[hilts]

Just give me a few minutes mate whilst I nip outside and see if I can find anyone who gives a fuck about what you think,
No sorry thought not.

Yet you post your moronic ideas on here? Odd, bit like your made up bullshit.

Off you pop, Enjoy half term.

 

[hilts]

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[threespires]

Mods can you explain why you've edited some of the recent posts (including one of mine) ? I'm not aware I've broken the CoC at any point.

 

[Craig]

Deadly serious about the appalling domino consequences of Denton/Gorton returning a Reform MP. Trying to use the Greens to stop them seems folly to me. If you are right and it works then fair enough but all my instincts are that voting Labour is the only way to put a spoke in their evil wheel.

Your instincts are wrong then when faced with logic. The logic i’m going off of the bookies have Labour out between 13/2 and 9/1.Also when you said it’s a consequence of having butters in charge. I don’t think we’ve had nutters we’ve had a load of self serving cunts who have known exactly what they’ve been doing.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Exceptional words from Zack Polanski. Covers Palestine action, antisemitism, how criticism of the israeli government is a moral responsibility, and digital id:

 

[ROCKET80]

We're not talking purely about examples of extremism so I'm not sure why you're trying to steer the discussion in that direction.

There's plenty of evidence that huge numbers of British born people of foreign descent fail to adopt any aspect of British or even Western cultural values and societal norms.

I’m not steering the discussion. Goodwin’s comments in the article were related to acts of extremism, and whether people who commit them are “really British.” I'll add that Goodwin's recent comments about women and birth rates only further solidify @bluejon description of the man as being accurate, that he’s in with a shot of winning the Gorton and Denton seat says a lot about the judgement of those backing him.

I’m struggling to find credible evidence for the claim that “huge numbers” of British-born people of foreign descent reject British or Western values. That’s a very broad statement, and it needs clear evidence and clear definitions.

As far as I'm aware there’s no legal definition of British Culture in UK law. The closest thing I can find defined anywhere is “fundamental British values,” and those are civic principles such as democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance. They’re about how society functions, not about ethnicity or lifestyle.

The idea of one fixed traditional British culture doesn’t really hold up. What people call British culture changes across time, region, and class. Victorian Britain, post-war Britain, modern Britain are all very different. Today London culture isn’t the same as the North-West, which isn't the same as the Highlands of Scotland, and working-class culture in the Midlands isn’t the same as upper-middle-class culture in the Home Counties.

So before saying people are failing to adopt British/Western values, we’d need to be clear about what specific values we mean, how they’re measured, and where the evidence shows this happening at scale. Otherwise it is generalised feelings not a supported claim.

Citizenship is a clear legal status, you either are a citizen or you aren’t. Culture is subjective and constantly changing, which is why using it as a test for who is really British becomes difficult to apply consistently.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The idea of one fixed traditional British culture doesn’t really hold up. What people call British culture changes across time, region, and class. Victorian Britain, post-war Britain, modern Britain are all very different. Today London culture isn’t the same as the North-West, which isn't the same as the Highlands of Scotland, and working-class culture in the Midlands isn’t the same as upper-middle-class culture in the Home Counties.

As someone who has moved across all the foregoing contemporary worlds, all of the above is correct.

 

[.db.]

These new Greens are about as Green as a leaded petrol Humvee.

 

[BrianW]

I would say (to narrow it down) that working-class culture in Manchester has changed massively during my lifetime. To the point where if (for example) you went back to Gorton in 1958, it would seem utterly alien.