VAR Discussion Thread

[Chris in London]

Technology is the problem as well as the solution though. High quality images from at least four or five angles will prove right or wrong to the viewer every time. Years ago this didn't exist. Do we scrap VAR and say "TV replays prove the ref got it wrong" and just accept it? My feeling is yes, that's exactly we do.

We mitigate this by having better trained officials, who just make fewer mistakes. That's how Collina defined a good ref and he was right. I'd have two extra officials at games in the two top divisions, so an assistant in each quarter.

Having said that though, yesterday's decision on the penalty does make me very suspicious, it wasn't even close to being outside the box.

I remember when Spurs got a penalty for handball at our place. It hit Sterling in between the shoulder blades 2 yards outside the box but Clattenberg gave it.

We all said “we need VAR”.

Be careful what you wish for

 

[SCEtoAUX]

I remember when Spurs got a penalty for handball at our place. It hit Sterling in between the shoulder blades 2 yards outside the box but Clattenberg gave it.

We all said “we need VAR”.

Be careful what you wish for

Well yes, it is a difficult one, as I implied. We either use technology to get more decisions right, which comes at a cost of passion and immediacy, to name but two, or we don't use the technology, return the egame to how it was, and make sure that referees are as well trained as they can possibly be.

There is perhaps a midde ground, nobody would want goal line technology gone, but other than that I'd scrap it tomorrow if I had the chance. I would bring in two extra officials though.

 

[Blue Mist]

The equipment is a useful aid, unfortunately Var stands for Video Assistant Referee. This means the idiot that failed to award Newcastle a penalty will probably be using the equipment next week.
He cannot do his normal job with any degree of expertise, honesty or trust so why do people think he can do a great job when looking at a monitor ?

I think Marmoushes goal would have been given if the linesman didnt flag but ruled out if he had.
I just don't trust these clowns who fuck up week after week to be honest.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

No it’s just what we used to see every cunting weekend which 90% of people now forget.

VAR should be used for offsides and egregious fuck ups. That’s all. Not trying to disallow every goal that’s scored. There’s nothing wrong with the tech, the issue is the cunts that use it.

Absolutely but the offsides need to be decided within 30 seconds maximum or else stick to on field decision

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Absolutely but the offsides need to be decided within 30 seconds maximum or else stick to on field decision

That can still be manipulated. Maybe a three strikes and out should be implemented. Three blatantly wrong decisions and the referee / VAR operator finds new employment.

 

[Phil1]

Ironically it's been the best weekend VAR has had since it's inception.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Oh mate not you as well.

I just don't trust them.

The PGMOL are fighting transparency every step of the way, and you have to wonder why.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

That can still be manipulated. Maybe a three strikes and out should be implemented. Three blatantly wrong decisions and the referee / VAR operator finds new employment.

How can it be manipulated? Either VAR finds a definitive offside or wrong decision in 30 seconds or if it can't then the on field decision stands. E.g it took longer than 30 seconds to fabricate the evidence allowing the Guimares goal versus us znd also to disallow the Semenyo goal for us.
Of course, a great thing would be to hear the comms

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

How can it be manipulated? Either VAR finds a definitive offside or wrong decision in 30 seconds or if it can't then the on field decision stands. E.g it took longer than 30 seconds to fabricate the evidence allowing the Guimares goal versus us znd also to disallow the Semenyo goal for us.
Of course, a great thing would be to hear the comms

There are infinite ways it can be manipulated. I don't intend to state them all here because I would end up with writer's cramp. If you can't see how they are already doing it them I'm honestly amazed.
It would definitely help to hear the comms because corruption would be more obvious. So would a big screen at every stadium.

 

[SWP's back]

I remember when Spurs got a penalty for handball at our place. It hit Sterling in between the shoulder blades 2 yards outside the box but Clattenberg gave it.

We all said “we need VAR”.

Be careful what you wish for

I remember Kane being nearly 5 yards offside on time for them against us as well pre VAR.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

"Perfectly timed run by Gabriel Jesus..."

I had to look up and watch MotD. How could you not!

You're paranoid!
All clubs say that about incidents in rival's games.
blah-blah-blah-

When have you EVER seen Jesus be onside, and by THAT much? And you tell me they don't choose favourable kick points if and when they please? He was about 5 YARDS onside! And questionable kick-point, not a hint of leg coming forward.

Proof positive!

 

[Marvin.]

There are automated aspects of VAR that are useful. The offside measure, and checking if an offence is inside the penalty area are aspects that help the fair flow of the game. However, simply re-refereeing incidents doesn't seem to produce better results. The time lost is not worth the benefit of re-reviewing the controversial incidents.

The FA Cup window shows that the use of VAR might be damaging the ability of match officials to make good decisions. Too often now, match officials will bottle red card and pen. decisions leaving it to the VAR process.

Sadly, IFAB do not seem to be any closer to changing VAR. We should be taking the best aspects of it, and binning the worst, but this seems to be beyond football's administrators.

 

[VOOMER]

No it’s just what we used to see every cunting weekend which 90% of people now forget.

VAR should be used for offsides and egregious fuck ups. That’s all. Not trying to disallow every goal that’s scored. There’s nothing wrong with the tech, the issue is the cunts that use it.

100% accurate

 

[ancoats]

100% accurate

This is why clubs and managers should have a minimum of 2 challenges on VAR calls

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

There are infinite ways it can be manipulated. I don't intend to state them all here because I would end up with writer's cramp. If you can't see how they are already doing it them I'm honestly amazed.
It would definitely help to hear the comms because corruption would be more obvious. So would a big screen at every stadium.

No I absolutely agree it is being manipulated at the moment. As you say, it’s obvious.
But what I’m trying to say )and I may be being thick here) is that with offside I think with a 30 second decision making rule and accurate technology that the 5 minute waits to manufacture a decision would be ended.
As for incidents like the game changing Solanke goal - not sure what you can do about that. If there was no VAR I would accept the on field decision given the naked eye and speed it happened. However, I can’t explain how VAR as it stands didnt disallow it

 

[Coljj]

 

[ancoats]

The technology has always been there, but PGMOL want the control so they can benefit the Red Scum (Cheat) or (Hinder) others, so take that benefit away from the so-called elite clubs and it becomes a fair fight

Yep, that's never going to happen because those clubs are based on being handed results when needed

 

[northendenton]

There are automated aspects of VAR that are useful. The offside measure, and checking if an offence is inside the penalty area are aspects that help the fair flow of the game. However, simply re-refereeing incidents doesn't seem to produce better results. The time lost is not worth the benefit of re-reviewing the controversial incidents.

The FA Cup window shows that the use of VAR might be damaging the ability of match officials to make good decisions. Too often now, match officials will bottle red card and pen. decisions leaving it to the VAR process.

Sadly, IFAB do not seem to be any closer to changing VAR. We should be taking the best aspects of it, and binning the worst, but this seems to be beyond football's administrators.

Binning the worst will require a skip or two

 

[roach3]

I see dermot fucked it off today
Even he can’t justify this shit.

 

[Coljj]

The technology has always been there, but PGMOL want the control so they can benefit the Red Scum (Cheat) or (Hinder) others, so take that benefit away from the so-called elite clubs and it becomes a fair fight

Yep, that's never going to happen because those clubs are based on being handed results when needed

Not heard any updates on how Nike are getting on with creating their own ball sensor tech. I guess the PL would prefer to keep it how it is.

The F1 VR app 'Lapz' looks smart and that sport lends itself really well to multi-screen viewing by following multiple drivers on-board cameras but that app is exclusive to Apple VR headset which costs over £3k!!!

Can imagine one day maybe watching on Sky VR and being able to switch between a view on the halfway line or behind either goal but thats still probably 5 years away at least.