Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

I think it might take a new generation of politicians for it to settle down but that will be no bad thing.



I reasonably sure all of the worlds most stable democracies use PR. We'll need some other changes to ensure we have mechanisms for BAU to continue in the instances when it takes time for coalitions to be formed etc, but again that will be no bad thing.

Transition won't come without challenges but we'll be fitter for the modern world afterwards. If nothing else, what this by-election does show is how unfit for purpose our current electoral system is.
I agree, even though I have no idea what BAU is :)
 
anybody could have hung this on any door anywhere and claim its from Gorton and Denton but I know if I saw it rather than revel in its message I'd speak to the authorities because I fear the writer needs some sort of help

 
anybody could have hung this on any door anywhere and claim its from Gorton and Denton but I know if I saw it rather than revel in its message I'd speak to the authorities because I fear the writer needs some sort of help


Help for what reason?
 
anybody could have hung this on any door anywhere and claim its from Gorton and Denton but I know if I saw it rather than revel in its message I'd speak to the authorities because I fear the writer needs some sort of help


Anyone else read that notice and think to themselves that the bloke living there sounds like a real twat?
 
Help for what reason?

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
 

I'll repeat my answer

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
 
Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
Where does it say violence?
 
I'll repeat my answer

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
What the hell are you on about mate.
 
I'll repeat my answer

Threatening violence - whether the person is or isn't ex-services posting violent intent is a reason to get someone help - think Southport, think Nottingham - people who were known to be potentially violent and there was no intervention so rightly there was out rage. What if an innocent canvasser of any Party called and something happened? Jo Cox, David Amess do those names mean nothing to you? Violence has no place in politics in a civilised society.
They didn’t threaten violence…don’t make things up
 
Because larger populations create

A need for more hospitals
More doctors
More police
More sewage
More cars
More lorries
More pot holes
More social services
More crimes
More police...........

You get the general idea

Plus some people are more adverse to the extra risks of importing 'trouble'

Add in the xenophobic or the good old racist element and there you go.

All the above have been discussed quite often. Its not that much of a surprise its discussed either here or in other countries.

Governments are painfully slow at reacting to change so you are forever playing catch up through population increase, and there is the cost. Throw in major economic knock backs like the economy crashing, covid, shit govts and the biggest of all in the history of mankind and probably the universe Brexit which according to estimates released is 10 trillion pounds per day.

At least :-)
Wow, that’s simplistic.

To take just one.

Larger populations do not create a need for more police. The need for policing levels depends on a variety of factors. There may be less of a need for policing in the orkneys for instance than in a town of comparable population because there is a difference in the demographics.

More importantly, the problems with policing exist independently of an increasing population. They relate to underfunding going back decades. It is true that those problems might in principle be exacerbated by a larger population but is really looking at the puddle on the floor as if it was the problem instead of the hole in the roof.

It is not unreasonable to look at immigration but it is illogical to concentrate on that topic so disproportionately at the expense of the root causes of the problems that immigration may exacerbate but certainly did not cause.

Your reply only underlines that point.
 

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