US & Israel attack Iran

[BlueRockape]

Iran attacking the aircraft Carrier now! Let’s hope their defences work!

Thought this might happen but not seen anything

 

[Postman Pep]

New York Times reporting that the CIA alerted Israel about Iran’s leadership meeting and whereabouts.

Incredible work ;-)

 

[cleavers]

Thought this might happen but not seen anything

bbc reporting that iran has said so, it's probably propoganda, no confirmation from the US. It's a carrier "group", so attacking it, and hitting it are quite different things.

 

[metalblue]

And I think that Trump is an egomaniac, all about self, who admires strong men, and who is going to engage in legal warfare against whoever opposes him.

Given this - Trump's actions are perfectly understandable without introducing the possibility that Putin has dirt on Trump... give me one instance where Trump is acting against his own personal interests, siding with Putin... no? That's what I thought.

Trump loves strong men. Trump is seeking real estate or possibly other deals with Russia. Trump is predisposed to admire Putin. And that's what's likely going on. End of.

Does Putin have some sort of dirt on Trump... maybe? Maybe not. Regardless, Trump's behavior is entirely consistent with Putin having zero dirt on him. Z - E - R - FUCKING O!!!!

I don’t think Trump would give a fuck what dirt anyone has on him. It hasn’t bothered him so far.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I don’t think Trump would give a fuck what dirt anyone has on him. It hasn’t bothered him so far.

Agree.

Which supports my point.

It's pretty fucking obvious that Putin may or may not have dirt on Trump! Who the fuck knows? But FFS - Putin doesn't have enough dirt on Trump to influence Trump's actions. It's 100% fucking obvious that this is so.

 

[Gabriel]

Incredible work ;-)

It’s not only his whereabouts but those of others, too, especially if they had convened to discuss the outcome of the negotiations, which were but a ruse after all. Time will tell.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

72,000 dead in two years should affect all humans.
Replacing regimes to the choice of others has no track record of success.
There's no dog-whistling - the actions of Israel are abhorrent. We have been here before...many times.
Sudan, Myanmar, Tibet, and other genocides are equally abhorrent.

That's a complete deflection from what I asked. The only terror that's affected the UK and its electorate, including you, has come from Islamic fundamentalists. How many Israelis have blown themselves up and 22 others up in the centre of Manchester, or murdered worshippers at their place of worship in North Manchester? Or blown themselves and others up on buses and tube trains? Answer - none.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

That's a complete deflection from what I asked. The only terror that's affected the UK and its electorate, including you, has come from Islamic fundamentalists. How many Israelis have blown themselves up and 22 others up in the centre of Manchester, or murdered worshippers at their place of worship in North Manchester? Or blown themselves and others up on buses and tube trains? Answer - none.

So I guess going to war with Iran is going to fix this? Idiot! It's only going to make matters worse.

Stay the fuck out of foreign affairs unless you're 100% committed to seeing it through -boots on the ground, for decades, backed by popular support from your country to cover the casualties experienced. And even given this... the chance for successful regime change is questionable.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

So I guess going to war with Iran is going to fix this? Idiot! It's only going to make matters worse.

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. Taking out their current regime will definitely make things better.

 

[Irwell]

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. Taking out their current regime will definitely make things better.

No, the US is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. It sponsors Israel and its genocide.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. Taking out their current regime will definitely make things better.

And while were at it, why not attack Afghanistan, and North Korea, and Cuba, and Russia and China and Venezuela and... wait... Venezuela attacked and now it's 100% better in their country...

FFS - leadership assassination isn't going to change a fucking thing.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Didn’t mean it as being funny funny but they go on about attacking America and Isreal but then attack Muslim people in the Middle East . Who have nothing ti do with it .

There is more than one strand of Islam Paul.
The US have being cosying up to the more conservative Sunni majority.
Iran is dominated by the majority of Shia Muslims - more fanatical and hard lined.
There has often been a Sunni vs Shia conflict.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

No, the US is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. It sponsors Israel and its genocide.

Very much over the top... but I get where you're coming from. The USA - especially under Trump - is not a good faith actor.

 

[Irwell]

Very much over the top... but I get where you're coming from. The USA - especially under Trump - is not a good faith actor.

Agreed, probably a little over the top but only to make a point. All of this is shades of gray, and it's debatable which ones are the darker shades.

There's lots of talk about the possible strike on a US carrier as being a 'major escalation' and justification for significant further attacks. Whilst I'm not exactly mourning the loss of Khomeini, I'd take a lot of convincing to accept an attack on a ship as being an escalation compared to the assassination of a head of state.

 

[cookster]

 

[Grassland Blue]

What!? No So Solid Crew?

Old Guvnors are primed and ready to go if required.....

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I'd take a lot of convincing to accept an attack on a ship as being an escalation compared to the assassination of a head of state.

And enter stage right, another stupid war in the middle east with massive casualties and with zero net benefit to the host country.

That said - Trump is all about Trump. And I think that his overwhelming instinct is that a troupes-on-the-ground war with Iran is going to be massively unpopular even among his MAGA base... and hence that there's no fucking way in hell that Trump will commit ground forces to this limited war.

The main purpose of this war is to boost Trump's popularity (it remains to be seen if this succeeds); the second purpose is to deflect from the Epstein files.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Very much over the top... but I get where you're coming from. The USA - especially under Trump - is not a good faith actor.

Regardless of whether the USA or Israel are good faith actors, Iran is still the biggest single sponsor and enabler of Islamic terrorism. 20 terror plots foiled in this country alone in the recent past.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Didn’t they attack Dubai airport ?

They are attacking air bases in the region and the missiles are being shot down by defence systems and landing where they land.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Regardless of whether the USA or Israel are good faith actors, Iran is still the biggest single sponsor and enabler of Islamic terrorism. 20 terror plots foiled in this country alone in the recent past.

Agreed. And so what? Does this justify the attack? The attack is simply going to result in a huge amount of bloodshed in Iran with the side holding all the guns prevailing. Fucking AWESOME!!