US & Israel attack Iran

What's off the scale is silly attempts to say the situations are alike.

Or to pretend that Israel is a benevolent actor in this.
What we have is this,

The Palestinians launch a reprehensible attack on innocent Israelis and some people claim it's reprehensible.......BUT understandable.

The Israelis then launch reprehensible attacks on (some) innocent Palestinians and some people claim it's reprehensible........BUT understandable.

Are you going to pretend that those two stances are different to each other for some reason?
If you do then yes, that's hypocricy.
Either both are wrong or both are right. No middle ground, no one mans terrorist etc. Both are wrong or both are right.


Moving on to the repressed Iranian people, again, either you have been complicit in that repression by tacit support for their evil, ruthless government or you haven't. If you have supported Hamas at any stage then clearly you have to accept that you have been complicit in oppression.
 
I haven’t been able to catch up on the thread but did see/hear RR and Starmer posting we have refused to join in other than a defensive role. I’m so pleased about that as joining in would only make the UK an unsafe target
You’d be on here until the war has ended trying to wade through the posts on here in the last 24 hours
 
As you well know genocide is not just limited to total kill count, it’s also to do with ethnic cleansing.

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UN findings point to a systematic effort to render Gaza uninhabitable through the "methodical destruction" of infrastructure, including residential areas, schools, and hospitals, creating conditions incompatible with life. Reports indicate over 85% of the population was displaced by early 2025, with many facing forced, repeated movements.

In addition, the UN report highlights the use of aid restrictions, contributing to widespread hunger. Given the high death toll between late 2024 and 2025, various human rights organizations and experts have labeled the situation a genocide, driven by a goal of permanent demographic change.

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You talk about 35,000 people dying “anyway” completely ignoring the fact the death rate is so high because one country has systematically destroyed all infrastructure and blocked aid and food. A peer reviewed analysis by the Lancet in January 2025 suggested this meant deaths were underreported by 40%.

You’re also aware because you know enough about the topic that tens of thousands will die over the next few years because of the famine and lack of medical care imposed by Israel.


It’s also pretty abhorrent that you limit the numbers to the last 2 years…forgetting the 40 before and the many tens of thousands who have been killed before then.
Yeah but some of those people would have been dead by now anyway so we wouldn’t count those ones and can make a lower death count that tries to make Israel look better, according to him.
 
If you can not see what is being done in the name of reasonable Jewish people I give up the hatred coming from Israel is off the scale.
You won’t catch me defending the actions of the Israeli Government, their response to the crimes of Oct 7th have been so far beyond what should be acceptable, I don’t really have many words to describe it. If there is any justice in the world, Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli leadership who have conducted the obliteration of Gaza, should face war crime charges and he deserves to get the Saddam treatment.

But I have to point out, that it’s not being done in the name of ordinary “reasonable”Jewish people, associating the crimes of the Israeli Government to Jews generally, is a very dangerous and unnecessary precedent, that has ultimately resulted in the harassment, threats and murder of British citizens recently, just because of their Jewish identity.
 
it's not racial genocide as that cretin was claiming.

UN report:

Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese

Summary:

The ongoing genocide in Gaza is a collective crime, sustained by the complicity of influential Third States that have enabled longstanding systemic violations of international law by Israel. Framed by colonial narratives that dehumanize the Palestinians, this live- streamed atrocity has been facilitated through Third States’ direct support, material aid, diplomatic protection and, in some cases, active participation. It has exposed an unprecedented chasm between peoples and their governments, betraying the trust on which global peace and security rest. The world now stands on a knife-edge between the collapse of the international rule of law and hope for renewal. Renewal is only possible if complicity is confronted, responsibilities are met and justice is upheld.
 
The more I think about this the more I believe that Trump has bitten off more than the US military can chew.

The situation is not sustainable and Iran are only going to get stronger as the US runs out of defensive missiles.

The gulf states are in real danger of being wiped out and with them bang goes the US economic bubble which is being propped up by gulf wealth. They are extremely vulnerable relying on their desalination plants as they do.

Will Trump’s ego allow him to seek peace? What will Iran demand?

The world is in for a very bumpy ride.
 
The more I think about this the more I believe that Trump has bitten off more than the US military can chew.

The situation is not sustainable and Iran are only going to get stronger as the US runs out of defensive missiles.

The gulf states are in real danger of being wiped out and with them bang goes the US economic bubble which is being propped up by gulf wealth. They are extremely vulnerable relying on their desalination plants as they do.

Will Trump’s ego allow him to seek peace? What will Iran demand?

The world is in for a very bumpy ride.

He'll end up dropping a nuke
 
You won’t catch me defending the actions of the Israeli Government, their response to the crimes of Oct 7th have been so far beyond what should be acceptable, I don’t really have many words to describe it. If there is any justice in the world, Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli leadership who have conducted the obliteration of Gaza, should face war crime charges and he deserves to get the Saddam treatment.

But I have to point out, that it’s not being done in the name of ordinary “reasonable”Jewish people, associating the crimes of the Israeli Government to Jews generally, is a very dangerous and unnecessary precedent, that has ultimately resulted in the harassment, threats and murder of British citizens recently, just because of their Jewish identity.
I agree with most of what you say but I see no objecting or very little to what is has occurred in the name of the Jewish people.
If I have missed it I apologise
 
The more I think about this the more I believe that Trump has bitten off more than the US military can chew.

The situation is not sustainable and Iran are only going to get stronger as the US runs out of defensive missiles.

The gulf states are in real danger of being wiped out and with them bang goes the US economic bubble which is being propped up by gulf wealth. They are extremely vulnerable relying on their desalination plants as they do.

Will Trump’s ego allow him to seek peace? What will Iran demand?

The world is in for a very bumpy ride.
He's just hoping dropping a shit load of bombs work, never ever has a full plan and never ever does anything for anyone but himself.
 
Just want to point out for the sake of accuracy that the 30,000 number killed by the Iranians is a disputed figure as it was collected through "anonymous sources in Iran" which could well have their own agenda. HRANA, a human rights body focused on Iran has been able to verify about 7,000 deaths.
 
I agree with most of what you say but I see no objecting or very little to what is has occurred in the name of the Jewish people.
If I have missed it I apologise

There are plenty of prominent Jews speaking out about this.





Unfortunately there is also a number of large Jewish organisations who have doubled down aswell. But its definitely not all Jews who agree with Israels actions and its very important to keep making that distinction.
 
The more I think about this the more I believe that Trump has bitten off more than the US military can chew.

The situation is not sustainable and Iran are only going to get stronger as the US runs out of defensive missiles.

The gulf states are in real danger of being wiped out and with them bang goes the US economic bubble which is being propped up by gulf wealth. They are extremely vulnerable relying on their desalination plants as they do.

Will Trump’s ego allow him to seek peace? What will Iran demand?

The world is in for a very bumpy ride.
Jesus, if you get any further down your prediction let me know so I can get out!
 
I agree with most of what you say but I see no objecting or very little to what is has occurred in the name of the Jewish people.
If I have missed it I apologise
I’m not sure I understand what you are saying, are you saying that what Israel has done in response to Oct 7th, is or isn’t in the name of the Jewish people?

I’m saying it isn’t, the guilty are those in charge of the Israeli government who have actually done it, not ordinary citizens of Israel and definitely not ordinary Jews internationally.
 
Sadly that is one possibility. He is stupid enough.

Either way the US is finished as the leading world power. Everyone can see the emperor is stark bollock naked.

I agree, I'm ashamed to admit I thought Trump was just a comedy figure who would cause a load of drama in the States but nothing would really change below the surface. His first term basically ended up being that. The mask is completely off now and the people behind him are much more dangerous this time around. The 'Christian War' comment sent a fucking shiver down my spine.
 
There are plenty of prominent Jews speaking out about this.





Unfortunately there is also a number of large Jewish organisations who have doubled down aswell. But its definitely not all Jews who agree with Israels actions and its very important to keep making that distinction.

Thanks for the reply.
It does appear that there are some sain people out there
 

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