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Hugo Viana | Director of Football
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Lavinda Past
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From the last number of pages it's amazing that this team is 2nd and in a cup final.
You'd think we were in Spurs position.
I agree with you, but you have to bear in mind that the thread relates more to the future rather than the past.
Pep's going soon, and Viana is building for the future. As @Damanino suggested earlier, it's Viana planning for the next coach, and all indications are that we will see a shift away from the Pep style of football.
Whoever it is, I think we'll continue to win trophies (although probably not as many!) and, hopefully imo, do so playing more entertaining football than we've seen over the past 2 or 3 years.
heslops barnet
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Prepare yourself for a barren few seasons without any trophiesI agree with you, but you have to bear in mind that the thread relates more to the future rather than the past.
Pep's going soon, and Viana is building for the future. As @Damanino suggested earlier, it's Viana planning for the next coach, and all indications are that we will see a shift away from the Pep style of football.
Whoever it is, I think we'll continue to win trophies (although probably not as many!) and, hopefully imo, do so playing more entertaining football than we've seen over the past 2 or 3 years.
Innsbruckblue
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This could already be the second successive one without any, and Pep is still herePrepare yourself for a barren few seasons without any trophies
heslops barnet
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Barely here…..This could already be the second successive one without any, and Pep is still here
Lavinda Past
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Prepare yourself for a barren few seasons without any trophies
Been there, done that... more than once or twice... happy to go through it all again if circumstances demand!
CTID!
Stoned Rose
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Be interested to see your thoughts re which manager, with the players Viana has brought in, we seem to be planning for, mate?I agree with you, but you have to bear in mind that the thread relates more to the future rather than the past.
Pep's going soon, and Viana is building for the future. As @Damanino suggested earlier, it's Viana planning for the next coach, and all indications are that we will see a shift away from the Pep style of football.
Whoever it is, I think we'll continue to win trophies (although probably not as many!) and, hopefully imo, do so playing more entertaining football than we've seen over the past 2 or 3 years.
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I fully expect him to keep signing players that will not fit slow build up, possession based, high line football with lack of pressing involved.
Its like he is making transfers for post-Pep era and he has specific manager in mind thats certainly very different in tactical approach than Pep.
to go from ball controll masters like Grealish, Mahrez to wingers with bad first touch, from extreme passer Ederson to Donnarumma, these not marginal changes these are doing a 180 in terms of profiles.
Even his mom will not find justifications for him like that :)
Look everyone gets how great pep has been and we all want this to carry on forever and I’d love pep to turn this round and get it all working great again but it’s not gonna happen and if we are honest Hugo viana was still miles away and probably not even thought about when this started going wrong with mediocre signings like nunes Phillips Gomez etc . When it works great pep is lauded as being the messiah and put on a pedestal as if he is some god so when it goes wrong he should be accountable aswell . We will be ok when pep goes as we won’t titles before and we will win after .So we blame the manager who has won us everything and let teh new DOF who has bought some absolute stinkers in completely off the hook
The drop off in technical ability in the players he has brought in is alarming. Semenyo couldnt trap a bag of cement, Reijnders is weak beyond belief. Marmoush doesnt fit our system at all
The issue here is both of them -they are not ont he ame wavelength at all and for me Pep deserves backing - he has way more experience of what is needed to win things...even if he is only going to be here another year. The whole club over the last 10-12 years was set up to play a certain level of technical football from the under 6's to the mens and womens first teams - Pep will leave at some point BUT are we really going to change the way the whole culb approaches football at every level just cause Vianna has a different view of the quality required.....
If we do we will slip further behind ....and be watching lower quality football for a long time after Pep has gone from what we are seeing at present.
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Lavinda Past
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Be interested to see your thoughts re which manager, with the players Viana has brought in, we seem to be planning for, mate?
I still think there's mileage in the Maresca rumours. He was my own choice to come back after a spell at Leicester, but Pep stayed on and he went to Chelsea.
Looking at the Chelsea restructure, I can't help but think that Viana has been taking a similar approach to the future here, perhaps with Maresca very much in mind.
Maresca was bombed at Stamford Bridge because of links with City (after which they did a job of trying to discredit him via the media).
No smoke without fire. As far as I'm aware, Maresca was (probably still is) very highly regarded by the City hierarchy.
If this is exactly what’s happening then he’s doing his job. He needs to prepare for post Pep. Which manager fits that profile, I don’t know, Enrique seems to be more direct in his teams play than Pep?I fully expect him to keep signing players that will not fit slow build up, possession based, high line football with lack of pressing involved.
Its like he is making transfers for post-Pep era and he has specific manager in mind thats certainly very different in tactical approach than Pep.
to go from ball controll masters like Grealish, Mahrez to wingers with bad first touch, from extreme passer Ederson to Donnarumma, these not marginal changes these are doing a 180 in terms of profiles.
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You mean like were having with pep?Prepare yourself for a barren few seasons without any trophies
simon23
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Think this is where you are wrong...it has nothing to do with wanting pep to carry on for ever...that is never going to happen even if we had won the league this year and next year.Look everyone gets t great pep has been and we all want this to carry on forever and I’d love pep to turn this round and get it all working great again but it’s not gonna happen and if we are honest Hugo viana was still mikes away and probably not even thought about when this started going wrong with mediocre signings like nunes Phillips Gomez etc . When it works great pep is lauded as being the messiah and put on a pedestal as if he is some god so when it goes wrong he should be accountable aswell . We will be ok when pep goes as we won’t titles before and we will win after .
But lets say we get the best manager in possible to replace Pep (whoever that is).
If we change style thats an overhaul of the whole clubs principles of play....from top to bottom...that is huge...but lets say it happens for arguments sake
Any manager still needs the quality of players to play in what ever system...I am not seeing those quality of players being brought in either under Vianna or at the end of Txixis reign.....we have a lot of very very questionable players in terms of quality
Rico Lewis being brought into the first team - from day one it looked a bad decision
Sav
Reijnders
Marmoush
Semenyo
Nunes as a midfielder
Phillips (as a footballer!!)
these are all mid table players at best...none top their game (please dont say Reijnders was Seria A player of the year....fucking Scott Mctomminay was one of the best players in that league....it is no comaprrison)
Then the likes of Khusonov as well - I love this guy but I question whether he is good enough with the ball at his feet...defensively he is very very good no doubt but there are facets to his game that need improving including heading the ball at times as well as his footwork.
IS NOR really good enough...another question...Ive no idea at present but he is filling in in various positions but what is his actual proper position (is it a number 10) - if it is this then is he ever going to be good enough to replace cherki in that position - I know we need squad fillers/players that can play a variety of positions so maybe that is NOR.
No manager turns this squad into league winners without a big overhaul - no one
Prestwich_Blue
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I can deal with that. I'd just like to come out of the Etihad on a high, thinking "That was a fantastic game" instead of thinking "Why the fuck did I bother making the effort when the players don't seem to be remotely bothered?"Prepare yourself for a barren few seasons without any trophies
Stoned Rose
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Interesting view mate.I still think there's mileage in the Maresca rumours. He was my own choice to come back after a spell at Leicester, but Pep stayed on and he went to Chelsea.
Looking at the Chelsea restructure, I can't help but think that Viana has been taking a similar approach to the future here, perhaps with Maresca very much in mind.
Maresca was bombed at Stamford Bridge because of links with City (after which they did a job of trying to discredit him via the media).
No smoke without fire. As far as I'm aware, Maresca was (probably still is) very highly regarded by the City hierarchy.
heslops barnet
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Teams lower in the league than us seem to have a better tactical plan than us and are more entertaining to watch……I can deal with that. I'd just like to come out of the Etihad on a high, thinking "That was a fantastic game" instead of thinking "Why the fuck did I bother making the effort when the players don't seem to be remotely bothered?"
Man_City_Loyal
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From the last number of pages it's amazing that this team is 2nd and in a cup final.
You'd think we were in Spurs position.
well said, 2nd and still in with a chance to win the league
Cup final to come
Another QF in another cup
Plenty of positives! I actually had a Spurs mate of mine text me today to blame City for what's going on at the top and bottom of the PL.
Cheeky prick! Ha
Man_City_Loyal
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Thank you. I was beginning to think that everyone on here had been caught up in the myth of Guardiola developing players.
He's obviously a great coach with a proven magnificent record. However, having watched the players that he inherited / subsequently had at his disposal, I don't see that he's been any better at actually getting the best out of them than Manuel Pellegrini would.
Suggesting what Pep has done for City with the squads he's had that Pellegrini would have done is a shocking take
Lavinda Past
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Interesting view mate.
Time will tell, obviously, but I do suspect that the club already had someone (probably very firmly) in their sights before Pep decided to extend to 2027.
Very very questionable signings - him and Pep are not on the same wave length
Semenyo - Bournmouth was his level...low technical ability and where does he fit in....he doesnt replace Haaland thats for certain and cant play any other position...
Reijnders - awful - said it before but possibly one of the worst players in the last 5 years besides Phillips
Marmoush - Doesnt fit.
Khus - he is ok but a long way to go
Guehi - starter at the moment but is he good enough to step up....a poor Real Madrid team says no
FFS, give Senenyo and Guehi a chance. They have just signed for City.