US & Israel attack Iran

RiversideBlue said:
That's what all wars seem to be about.
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So sick of all these fucking wars. Dickhead Putin now dickhead Trump, just fucking stop it. The world has gone to shit since Covid, so many arseholes as world leaders; Jin-Ping another one and the fat shit in N. Korea. The terrorist wankers in Yemen can fuck off as well.

Why is everyone in power such a **** these days? What’s wrong with just minding your own business and just managing one’s own country? No normal people want any of this shit.
 
Semper aggressus said:
So sick of all these fucking wars. Dickhead Putin now dickhead Trump, just fucking stop it. The world has gone to shit since Covid, so many arseholes as world leaders; Jin-Ping another one and the fat shit in N. Korea. The terrorist wankers in Yemen can fuck off as well.

Why is everyone in power such a **** these days? What’s wrong with just minding your own business and just managing one’s own country? No normal people want any of this shit.
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I got a bit pissed off earlier and made this. It cheered me up a bit.
 

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It is utterly bizarre how throughout history the world has been plunged into death, destruction and ruin by a few lunatics, as the majority who want none of it stand helplessly by and suffer.
As for looney toon Trump there will be no oil coming through the Straights of Hormuz anyway, if they and Israel keep bombing the plants that produce it.
 
There's a lot of they are all as bad as each other stuff going on in here.

The reality is that whilst N.Korea is an authoritarian state, as is Iran, and they treat their own people worse than democratic countries, they are not about to invade anyone.
China are not our western cup of tea but have not invaded anyone for a long time. Russia have invaded a perceived threat on their border. I am not saying that is acceptable but it is a very different order of magnitude to what the US is doing. Attacking a country half way across the globe. As MTG points out Iran hasn't dropped a single bomb on the US but Trump is talking of wiping out a civilization.

And then there is Israel which is a sort of mini me except they are in charge. A country that in the name of defending itself is constantly attacking Lebanon and the people living under martial law in Palestine. But even so like Russia they are attacking people , wrongly in my view, in their own vicinity.

So by some distance the US is the biggest problem on planet earth and has been for some time. As someone alluded to, the combination of an innate superiority mixed with an inferiority complex, makes them dangerous. And the fact they've got a maniac in charge is just making things far worse.

Hopefully he is bluffing.
 
Semper aggressus said:
So sick of all these fucking wars. Dickhead Putin now dickhead Trump, just fucking stop it. The world has gone to shit since Covid, so many arseholes as world leaders; Jin-Ping another one and the fat shit in N. Korea. The terrorist wankers in Yemen can fuck off as well.

Why is everyone in power such a **** these days? What’s wrong with just minding your own business and just managing one’s own country? No normal people want any of this shit.
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Look at the traits needed to be a CEO. Sack thousands of people for profits. Graft your way to the top by being two faced and manipulative.

Same thing applies to World Leaders but this time it's killing people (although in Trump's case profits still apply).
 
domalino said:
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Sorry but this is bullshit that’s all predicated on the completely nonsense idea that helping Trump bomb Iran opens the strait faster.

From the day Iran closed the strait every military analyst said that it could be kept closed indefinitely as long as any semblance of the Iranian regime remained.

So from that moment, Starmer should have confronted the fact that the only way to reopen the strait is to put political pressure on Trump and Israel to stop their illegal war.

Instead, he hosted the USAF on their bombing missions and his government has released a series of ludicrous statements attacking Iran for defending itself and completely ignoring the 2 parties that caused this.

That’s despite the fact a UK security adviser was at the talks and verified that Iran was complying with the US demands prewar, and the fact the UN has confirmed it’s an illegal war.

Starmer could have used both of those to put pressure on Israel and the US to stand down and take this through the proper international channels, but he didn’t. He chose to capitulate to Trump and attach us to his war.
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America and Isreal did this unilaterally. They haven't given a crap about what anyone else wanted and you think our government demanding them to stand down will do anything? Spain's leader has and what has that achieved?

Our government can't rewind time, they would wish that Trump's government didn't do this but they have and we have to manage the fallout. We're no fans of Iran, they're a horrible despotic regime. So we've stayed out of it.

But we've allowed use of airpots as we can't go fully against America because we rely on them for security in other parts of the world. It's a shit situation. But our government needs to balance things.

Under Trump they are unstable and we've taken the choice not to join the war but also not to rock the boat. That's an understandable position. It might not please the far left who want to grandstand but that won't achieve anything other than recieving likes and retweets.
 
metalblue said:
Yeah because coming on here and saying if it were me I would blow up this, that, and the other is perfectly normal.
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It might help if you told us what you would do having been attacked by a lunatic and then threatened with your civilisation being ended.
 
Hypothetically if the US nuked Tehran, radiation would spread to Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan (nuclear armed), Uzbekistan, Tajikistan with lower traces spreading to India and China (both nuclear armed).

If they nuked a site in the Person Gulf then the GCC countries would be affected.

For these reasons I can't see it happening.
 
Irwell said:
The straight is only closed to certain nations if you've noticed. It is closed to us precisely because of our alignment with the US. We need a different relationship with countries in the world going forwards, not one that serves US interests and makes us a target.

As far as securing our interests around the world goes, the US is only going to secure them where it is in their interests for them to be secure, a fact which isn't going to change as a result of us refusing to allow them to use our bases against Iran. Do you honestly see the US helping secure anything that isn't strategically important for them?

At some point we need to accept that in order to reset our relations with the rest of the world we need to cut off the ball and chain keeping us firmly planted in the old ways. This can be the start of better ties with Europe but also better ties with the Middle East and China, with more diplomacy using carrots rather than sticks.

The US have a weird combination of superiority and inferiority complexes which make them think they are both better than everyone else but that at the same time everyone else is a threat to their way of life. They are dragging us down with them.
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I think our government is thinking that he'll only be in power for another 3 years and thinks will return to normal afterwards.

We've strategically aligned our security with the US which isn't as easy to undo as some might suggest. That will take time if it's to happen.

I'm in agreement, I'd like us closer to Europe but that will get the right and the far-right up in arms about things.

It's a real shit situation and no matter what the government does they'll be pissing people off.
 
argyle said:
America and Isreal did this unilaterally. They haven't given a crap about what anyone else wanted and you think our government demanding them to stand down will do anything? Spain's leader has and what has that achieved?

Our government can't rewind time, they would wish that Trump's government didn't do this but they have and we have to manage the fallout. We're no fans of Iran, they're a horrible despotic regime. So we've stayed out of it.

But we've allowed use of airpots as we can't go fully against America because we rely on them for security in other parts of the world. It's a shit situation. But our government needs to balance things.

Under Trump they are unstable and we've taken the choice not to join the war but also not to rock the boat. That's an understandable position. It might not please the far left who want to grandstand but that won't achieve anything other than recieving likes and retweets.
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We haven't stayed out of it though, we've done our usual on the fence thing that just sets both sides against us. As things stand at the moment I'd rather we side with the international community on it and please them rather than side with the US on their war crimes.
 
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