Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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In fairness to Innsbruckblue, it was me who asked the original question, mainly because I was genuinely curious, as to how such a new and apparently disliked club, could average 25,000. On the other hand, I can remember their neighbours featuring regularly in the UEFA Cup in the mid 70s.
Ironically, many younger Germans view City as a plastic club, and might ask similar questions next season when only United and Arsenal are getting bigger crowds.
 
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Lets not start the argument again.

I'm going to the Stuttgart v City game, but the day before I'll be making a trip to Kaiserslautern. I remember watching them play on TV in Europe (I think it was the Champions League) when Rösler went there, and I like the design of the stadium. I wasn't aware until a few years ago, but I read that they were promoted to the Bundesliga and then won it the following season, and I think they are the only club to do that. At one stage I thought they could become my German team, but to my horror I realised the translation of their nickname is Red Devils and they sing YNWA. Completely ruins it.

Still, I'm looking forward to visiting the stadium. Can anyone recommend what to do in the city? Should be there about 1ish and the match doesn't kick off until 8.30.

I think I'll also manage to get to Karlsruhe for their game against St Pauli. Can't really drink too much at that one as I'll have to drive home from the airport later that evening, but again - is there anything I should look out for there?

I went about 20 years ago to see them play Lauteren,was only there for the day so cant really help.
 
In fairness to Innsbruckblue, it was me who asked the original question, mainly because I was genuinely curious, as to how such a new and apparently disliked club, could average 25,000. On the other hand, I can remember their neighbours featuring regularly in the UEFA Cup in the mid 70s.
Ironically, many younger Germans view City as a plastic club, and might ask similar questions next season when only United and Arsenal are getting bigger crowds.

The main problem is that whenever a German team plays against the likes of Chelsea, City and PSG the media keeps talking about the windfall of those clubs and how they are sponsored by Mansour, Abramovic (spelling?) and the guy at PSG.

The average football fan in Germany doesnt really follow the PL or even a certain team, so they don´t bother reading up about events of the past, clubs history etc. so the picture of a "plastic" club sticks in their head.

Whenever I come across someone bullshitting City I try to educate them about your history and how football in England works different to the BL and that in fact the only chance for a club to break into the top 4 is by getting a "sugardaddy".

Normally people then start to understand that City is far from the equivalent of a club like RB Leipzig in Germany, but as long as the Media plays a huge part in forming people´s opinion there is unfortunately not much we can do I guess.

@aidan: I am happy you decided against picking up Lautern as your second team. Supporting Lautern usually involves a "relationship" to your mother and sister which is far from healthy. ;) Lautern is the equivalent of Stoke...inbreed,6 fingered bastards.

Unfortunately I cant offer any advice on how to spend your time in Lautern/Karlsruhe either. Lautern is our derby so I usually try not to spend more time than necessary down there.

Same with Karlsruhe to be honest. ;)
 
I am happy you decided against picking up Lautern as your second team. Supporting Lautern usually involves a "relationship" to your mother and sister which is far from healthy. ;) Lautern is the equivalent of Stoke...inbreed,6 fingered bastards.

Unfortunately I cant offer any advice on how to spend your time in Lautern/Karlsruhe either. Lautern is our derby so I usually try not to spend more time than necessary down there.

Same with Karlsruhe to be honest. ;)

I've already seen the error of my ways a few years ago. Not looking forward to walking up the hill to the ground either.
 
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I always loved to go to the Betzenberg when they were in the 1.Bundesliga.
Good atmosphere and rivalry not like traveling to Leverkusen Wolfsburg or Ingolstadt.

Ok once we had to protect our injured players Varela and Kmetsch when they were sitting next to us on the main stand ,next to a few Schalke Supporters (us) and the local crowd.
They are called the Red Devils for that :o))))
 
I really like to play there as well, great ground and not the standard "arena" like layout. Added benefit is the roof and the stands close to the pitch which can turn the place into a cauldron.

Usually a great atmosphere as well and even tough they are inbreed bastards they do support their club with a lot of passion. Always lots of fun to play down there with Frankfurt.



Lauuuuuuutern Schweiiiiiinee......Lauuuuuuuutern Schweiiiiineeee! ;)
 
Anyone in Germany who can post me the new Kicker Sonderheft if I pay you through Paypal? I guess £11 would cover all costs? PM if you can help.

Thanks.
 
So whilst on holiday, I sort of broke into Stade Brest's ground. Had to take the opportunity to put a FCI sticker down... ;)

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Bundesliga 2 started on the weekend. The Zebras from Duisburg came down from a hype about their promotion and were easily beaten by Kaiserslautern´s red devils 1-3. 1860 started with another defeat (1-0) at Heidenheim. Tiny little Sandhausen had a surprising 3-1 away win at Braunschweig but stays bottom because of a 3 point deduction. League favorites RB Leipzig started with a 1-0 away win at the Bornheim slope (FSV Frankfurt).

In League 3 1.FC Magdeburg played their first ever match on a national level since the german reunification, beating RW Erfurt 2-1. League 3 is now being nicknamed as the return of the old east german top division with 8 east german clubs in it. Dynamo Dresden had a perfect start with a 4-1 win over Stuttgart´s U 23, while Holstein Kiel, losing last season´s promotion play-offs, was shocked by a 0-4 home defeat to Mainz 05 U 23 team.
 
Looks like another struggling season for Hansa Rostock; defeated 2-1 at home to Werder Bremen II (Who beat 'Gladbach II to be promoted into the 3. Liga). Could they be this seasons Unterhaching, in a big time team going down to the Fourth tier.

That reminds me, what ever happened to SSV Ulm? I've read and heard quite a lot about them whilst doing my 'Haching piece.
 
Oh, The sparrows. Yes, they came to the Bundesliga with Ralf Rangnick (now the mighty man at RB Leipzig) or nearly, Rangnick left them just before the end of the season. They looked good until the day they had a famous 1-9 home defeat to Leverkusen and broke apart in the last 10 matches. The next season they were relegated again, got no license for 3rd division, went into administration, could not start in division 4 and ended up in division 5. The following years they went into administration twice again and players were involved into match fixing. Don´t know how, but they are still alive in division 5
 
Bundesliga 2 started on the weekend. The Zebras from Duisburg came down from a hype about their promotion and were easily beaten by Kaiserslautern´s red devils 1-3.

I watched most of that on Friday night as it was shown on BT Sport. Although they have shown it before, they don't show Buli 2 every week but I guess not much else has started yet (they're showing the Swiss league too at the minute). Going to see Kaiserslautern on Friday so I thought I'd do a bit of research on the players.

There was an obvious difference in class, but I couldn't tell if it was because Kaiserslautern were really good, or if Duisburg were really, really bad. On the basis of some of the defending I suspect it was mainly the latter.
 
is the bundesliga 2 included in this?
just that I`m watching Freiburg v Nuremburg, 60 mins on the clock and the score reads 5-3 to Freiburg....
cracking game.
on btsport1 for viewers in black and white.
 
is the bundesliga 2 included in this?
just that I`m watching Freiburg v Nuremburg, 60 mins on the clock and the score reads 5-3 to Freiburg....
cracking game.
on btsport1 for viewers in black and white.

Or course it is!

Wow! That was some game, and some effort by me to get my 1000 word match report done in such short time after missing 60 minutes of the game...

Positive signs for Freiburg, the duo of Grifo and Petersen look like they'll do damage in the 2. Liga. Was surprised Grifo never got a chance with Hoffenheim; always seemed to do well with FSV Frankfurt. Was also shocked that Petersen signed with Stretch. Thought he'd end up back in the Bundesliga, he was linked with Schnauzer at some earlier point. Probably going to be same old same old for Nuremberg this season; can't see them really challenging once again.
 
Another trip, another couple of stadiums ticked off. City were awful, but everything else was good.

We arrived in Kaiserslautern at lunchtime on the Friday so we had loads of time to wander round. Its a fairly small city and there's not a lot to see. Like everywhere else though the people were friendly and the beer was good.

Its a bit of a hill to get up to it, but I was really impressed with the ground. We had to cut through the smallest stand which had a giant beer hall for the fans to watch the early game on the big screen. After catching our breath from the walk up the hill, we grabbed a beer before having to climb a similar amount of steps as Newcastle to get our standing area.

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A terrible game was then played out, which resulted in what I think was my first 0-0 draw on German soil. The supporters in the west-tribune were loud, but the rest of the stadium looked comparatively empty. I think there were 33k in the 50k-ish stadium which is still good for 2nd division.

In the morning we travelled back to Stuttgart, and met a few other blues at the Biergarten. Got to the ground early and watched a bit of 1860 v Freiburg in the sports bar at the ground. A brief meeting with @Innsbruckblue followed but I wanted to get into the ground as I'd not left much time. Knowing what happened as I do now I'd rather have stood at the bar for more of a chat!

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City were an absolute shambles defensively. I think it was a collective problem but it got noticeably better when Denayer came on for Kompany. Thats a bit of a worry that a team that barely survived on the last day could tear us apart so easily, and so close to the beginning of the season. I had a great evening back at the sports bar watching the German Supercup, where there were about 15 Stuttgart fans who were chatting to us for hours. Like a typical Englishman abroad, my dad had far too much to drink and we had to get a taxi back to the hotel at about 11. Great day despite the result though.

Good thing about the German purity laws is that the hangovers aren't anywhere near as bad, so we were ready to start again the following day (although I had to drive home that evening so couldn't have much). Quick train to Karlsruhe and we wandered round the area near the hauptbahnhof for a bit. Really regret that because on our way to the ground we saw the Karlsruhe Palace which had a market and a band on in the grounds, and I would have preferred to spend more time there. I would not have found the ground walking through the forest without following the other fans who thankfully knew where they were going.

I wasn't sure what to expect from the ground, because its the first ground I've been to that's in a traditional style bowl. I was pleasantly surprised because it generated a great atmosphere and I was particularly impressed with the Karlsruhe fans who generated a fantastic atmosphere. It was so hot though. My face is now as red as the Kaiserslautern shirts and I've never sweated so much just from standing up. The club were putting sprinklers onto the supporters to cool them down a bit.

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We had to leave a few minutes before the end to catch a bus to the Airport, but thankfully we didn't miss any goals as it finished 2-1 to St Pauli.

Trip over and looking forward to the Champions League draw in a couple of weeks, and hoping to get an opportunity to tick off a few more.
 
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