The Calais problem (merged)

KenTheLandlord said:
The legality of a economic migrant is irrelevant, you are an economic migrant.

"Economic migrant" means a person who has left his own country and seeks by lawful or unlawful means to find employment in another country. As will be explained later, many asylum seekers are in fact economic migrants who hope to secure entry into the United Kingdom by claiming asylum.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/70
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It's relevant when disagreeing with a charge of hypocrisy.

They are not legally attempting to find employment in the UK. Hence them breaking the law.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
In which case why are you saying we have loose borders? We have some of the strictest borders in the world.


Unfortunately you don't seem to be grasping a perfectly logical motive on his part.

He cannot sit around like the Doha Economic Migrant waiting for job applications and other paperwork viz visa applications as he is in deep shit regarding his life, home or lack of work at his previous address. So he looks to move to the UK as he can speak English and knows there is some work there. Now, as explained, he cannot be illegal at the moment as he is not in the country, he can only become illegal if he fails to report to a border official.

Now, here is the crazy bit, he smuggles himself into a lorry and is discovered by a border official, he declares he is looking for asylum. He has done nothing wrong as he has declared himself upon entry. Now, while he is being investigated and he asks for help to find jobs etc etc, he will be helped. He even has a secure address and he is not under the duress he was in his home town. If he is genuine in he comes, if not he will be escorted back to his own country. Case over.
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So if he is seeking asylum, which you are stating that he is, by virtue of the part highlighted, why isn't he doing so in the first safe country he has entered?
 
SWP's back said:
So if he is seeking asylum, which you are stating that he is, by virtue of the part highlighted, why isn't he doing so in the first safe country he has entered?
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The problem with that is Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan who are already swamped with refugees could buckle under the pressure and then actually more would be fleeing to the EU.

Its not rocket science DD ;)
 
Rascal said:
The problem with that is Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan who are already swamped with refugees could buckle under the pressure and then actually more would be fleeing to the EU.

Its not rocket science DD ;)
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And France?......
 
what i really dont like is the fact that they can come here and claim money straight away, regardless of what situation they were in. then when I walk around Manchester i see so many homeless people everywhere and the government won't give them a thing or help them. Most of the people trying to get here from calais aren't from syria or iraq and most of them are coming for the money. why dont any of them want to claim asylum in france or the first country they get to.
 
Rascal said:
I doubt they swam from Syria to France, or even paddled there in a small canoe.
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But it's in the EU. Once they have asylum in France and a nice passport they can go and be economic migrants wherever they wish n
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
what i really dont like is the fact that they can come here and claim money straight away, regardless of what situation they were in. then when I walk around Manchester i see so many homeless people everywhere and the government won't give them a thing or help them. Most of the people trying to get here from calais aren't from syria or iraq and most of them are coming for the money. why dont any of them want to claim asylum in france or the first country they get to.
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' Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.'
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
what i really dont like is the fact that they can come here and claim money straight away, regardless of what situation they were in. then when I walk around Manchester i see so many homeless people everywhere and the government won't give them a thing or help them. Most of the people trying to get here from calais aren't from syria or iraq and most of them are coming for the money. why dont any of them want to claim asylum in france or the first country they get to.
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The homeless can get welfare. There is absolutely zero reason for anyone to be homeless in the UK.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
' Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.'
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THATS TALKING ABOUT ASYLUM SEEKERS!!

This win Calais aren't claiming asylum when arriving in the UK.

And he's saying probably 3,000 are in Calais yet 900 are making it across illegally each month. I'm not sure he's very good at counting.
 
SWP's back said:
It's relevant when disagreeing with a charge of hypocrisy.

They are not legally attempting to find employment in the UK. Hence them breaking the law.
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No hypocrisy, just something you dont like or are uncomfortable with.

They have broken no GB laws.
 
SWP's back said:
The homeless can get welfare. There is absolutely zero reason for anyone to be homeless in the UK.
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from what I've seen and homeless people I've talked to a lot of them can't get welfare because they dont have fixed addresses ( not 100% sure if correct ) . some get help from charities and other things.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
No hypocrisy, just something you dont like or are uncomfortable with.

They have broken no GB laws.
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No it isn't. I've stated a hundred times on this forum I'm an economic migrant.

By trying to illegally enter the UK they are breaking laws. That's why they get deported/stopped if caught and the poor bugger drivers get £2000 fine per person.
 
SWP's back said:
But it's in the EU. Once they have asylum in France and a nice passport they can go and be economic migrants wherever they wish n
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You really must start wearing a hat pal.The sun is affecting you bad :))

Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are not in the EU but they will be the first "safe" place to claim asylum. The fact that those countries are already overun with migrants make that virtually impossible. So the first country rule is just not feasible
 
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