Refugee crisis

Pissed poles roaming the streets, people forced to do make up courses...Britain is clearly on its knees.
No room for basic human compassion then. Cheers for the link scottyboi- absolutely harrowing
 
firstly terrible thing that a poor child washed up on a beach, horrific.

BUT lets be honest here those people who were fleeing war torn syria, had already managed to get to a place of safety. They were in Turkey!! It is not Britains fault, or the fault of Germany or any European nation.
The childs tragic death is entirely the fault of the adults, (his mother and father) who put the child in a 4 man dinghy with another 20 people.
 
crazyadi said:
firstly terrible thing that a poor child washed up on a beach, horrific.

BUT lets be honest here those people who were fleeing war torn syria, had already managed to get to a place of safety. They were in Turkey!! It is not Britains fault, or the fault of Germany or any European nation.
The childs tragic death is entirely the fault of the adults, (his mother and father) who put the child in a 4 man dinghy with another 20 people.
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It's not about fault it's about not turning away and saying it's someone elses problem. We can help.
 
The thing that's doing my head in over this is the fact that otherwise reasonable people are acting like bellends
 
your missing the point. Once they have found a safe place away from the war, they no longer need help they are in a place of safety and dont need to risk their or their childrens life.
 
crazyadi said:
firstly terrible thing that a poor child washed up on a beach, horrific.

BUT lets be honest here those people who were fleeing war torn syria, had already managed to get to a place of safety. They were in Turkey!! It is not Britains fault, or the fault of Germany or any European nation.
The childs tragic death is entirely the fault of the adults, (his mother and father) who put the child in a 4 man dinghy with another 20 people.
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Let them eat cake as someone with a very similar attitude once alledgedly said!

The child's death is the fault of many many parties beyond the parents , we are one of many many factors to blame.

The idea that Turkey should take responsibility for the west, israel , Saudi , ISIS, Assad, the oils Giants and Russia's (and many other responsible parties) games in the Middle East in itself is a dreadful suggestion. But then again the idea that the idea that it is someone else's problem is the easy answer. I must admit that the stupidity of this idea is worse when you consider what might happen if Turkey is destabilised by the economic hardship, destabilisation and the rise of extremists that taking full responsibility for the rest of the world's actions might bring.

But I guess for some people it is someone else's problem until ISIS are physically attacking NATO or the bodies are washing up on the Mersey.
 
crazyadi said:
your missing the point. Once they have found a safe place away from the war, they no longer need help they are in a place of safety and dont need to risk their or their childrens life.
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What's safety a camp with life expectancy of 40 , being safe from guns (but rape and abuse is ok) should it include education and health or is living till 40 in a tent with no education, health or home what they should aspire to for their kids?
 
Yaya_Tony said:
The thing that's doing my head in over this is the fact that otherwise reasonable people are acting like bellends
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You make an interesting point there, where is the otherwise reasonable coming from. I am heartened that otherwise unreasonable people on this thread are acting like intelligent caring human beings
 
Allow all the Syrians/refugees into neighbouring countries...ensure their safety, feed them, give them shelter etc. Then eradicate ISIS once and for all. Help build/repair infrastructure in Syria/Iraq and allow the people to return the their homeland where it'll be safe. Humankind has gotta learnt to help each other...except ISIS...fuck those guys. They belong in hell.
 
foetus said:
Allow all the Syrians/refugees into neighbouring countries...ensure their safety, feed them, give them shelter etc. Then eradicate ISIS once and for all.
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I wish someone would explain how you eradicate an idea. They don't wear wristbands or have "I ♥️ ISIS" on their tee-shirts. Plus there are people like the Taliban with some equally nasty and vicious ideas.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I wish someone would explain how you eradicate an idea. They don't wear wristbands or have "I ♥️ ISIS" on their tee-shirts. Plus there are people like the Taliban with some equally nasty and vicious ideas.
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Ideas will never die as long as people live and if you eradicate ISIS the children will only come back for bigger revenge.

Look at n Ireland even in a war from people of the same race , similar religion who grew up in the same place it will take generations fo peace to fully come
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I wish someone would explain how you eradicate an idea. They don't wear wristbands or have "I ♥️ ISIS" on their tee-shirts. Plus there are people like the Taliban with some equally nasty and vicious ideas.
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In all seriousness, I'm don't know. Something has to be done though. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If we as a race just sit back and do nothing then it'll only continue the way it's going now...and we certainly aren't going in a good direction. A long term solution is needed, drop the politics and bullshit and just sort something out.
 
We should be helping but Im curious as to where they're going to live.

I doubt we'll see them out in sticks, and when there isnt enough homes as it is, I think this is going to affect the poorest in the country the most.
 
By any standards, it was a horrible, harrowing, heart-wrenching image. A young boy, washed up dead on a Mediterranean beach, cradled in the arms of a Turkish policeman.

I defy anyone with a shred of humanity not to be moved by the photograph, which was beamed into our living rooms by television and plastered over the front page of yesterday’s newspapers.

We are told that it was the body of Syrian three-year-old Aylan Kurdi, who drowned along with his five-year-old brother, their mother and eight others when a recklessly overloaded rubber dinghy transporting them from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos capsized and sank.

But if this stark picture graphically illustrated the tragic human cost of the tidal wave of migrants trying to enter mainland Europe, the reaction to it has been deranged.

Objective reporting, especially on the broadcast media, has been thrown out of the window, to be replaced by New Age emoting and political posturing on behalf of the ‘Let Them All In’ and ‘We’re All To Blame’ Brigade. It has proved once again Stalin’s cynical maxim that while one death is always a tragedy, a million deaths is a mere statistic.

In this case, one photogenic dead child is worth in propaganda terms a million times the lives of the estimated 2,000-plus people who have died trying to cross the Med in the past year. Not to mention the tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children still being slaughtered by ISIS, which the West refuses to properly confront.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ITTLEJOHN-child-s-death-tragic-not-fault.html
 
foetus said:
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In all seriousness, I'm don't know. Something has to be done though. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If we as a race just sit back and do nothing then it'll only continue the way it's going now...and we certainly aren't going in a good direction. A long term solution is needed, drop the politics and bullshit and just sort something out.
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This problem extends beyond ISIS. People in Syria are fleeing a civil war, not ISIS. The war is a creation of our own doing because we supported the Syrian rebels years ago giving them the strength to push Assad's (Syrian leader) forces back. Anyone remember the chemical weapons stuff a few years ago? Assad has not been able to defeat the rebels and has lost control over the country and now it has allowed ISIS themselves to gain territory. Who do you bomb and who do you support to solve this kind of war containing multiple sides? We could take the rebel side and wipeout Assad but that would allow ISIS to gain further ground, they want an Islamic state and therefore want Syria. Russia and Iran also support Assad so you are effectively fighting them if you go against Assad too. We could support Assad to bring stability to the region but bare in mind we would be shooting at rebels who just a few years ago we gave our own weapons to.

It is a problem that unfortunately we cannot solve and as for the refugee crisis, I am surprised it has taken this long for people to come flooding across. Whilst we continue to interfere in the region, we can't exactly just wash our hands of the whole affair. People may not like it but this problem will not go away and to prevent a humanitarian crisis we have to do more and we have to take our fair share.
 
Sad thing is, that poor boy will be forgotten about in a week. Everybody has done their bit now by "liking" photos of refugees on Facebook, that seems to be the extent people help now. I genuinely think they think these refugees will receive packages of facebook likes to eat.

If people can, please text GIVE1 to 70008, the text costs a fiver (so 1/2 less pints tonight, depending where you drink!) and it goes to Save The Childrens refugee appeal.
 
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