Refugee crisis

As a mate just pointed out, it's a bit of a coincidence that Cameron is letting in the same amount of people as the DWP have killed off!
 
Whatever the reason it isn't good enough if some of you want to make excuses for them, then start understanding the excuses made for them not coming to the UK. I don't want excuses I would like action and it needs to be done now. It's not alright to refuse refuges because they don't subscribe to a certain church and it's not OK to make excuses for that bigotry.

I believe the country is overpopulated (one of the most densely populated in Europe) and that preparing for immigration by building houses and increasing school and hospital provision is pie in the sky thinking considering all of those services are currently overrun. The only migrants I want entering Britain are those who are taking jobs we can't (not won't) do ourselves - such as a doctor shortage - and I would prefer it if those jobs were skilled. We can train our own unemployed cheaply to take unskilled positions.

I couldn't care less if those skilled migrants believed in Jesus, Buddha or the flying spaghetti monster.
 
People who don't want the refugees here outraged about other countries not taking the refugees in!
Thankfully the UK will soon be welcoming some refugees, it's a shame it was too little too late for some of the deceased.

It's perfectly OK for people to ask why other closer countries don't take in some of these refuges whatever their view on it is, I would have had this done a lot sooner, but I wont dismiss peoples concerns just because they don't marry with my views on this crisis. Unbelievable!
 
Whatever the reason it isn't good enough if some of you want to make excuses for them, then start understanding the excuses made for them not coming to the UK. I don't want excuses I would like action and it needs to be done now. It's not alright to refuse refuges because they don't subscribe to a certain church and it's not OK to make excuses for that bigotry.
I'm not making excuses. It's a moot point in my eyes - I'm only bothered about the safety of fellow human beings, I couldn't care less about the politicking involved.
 
I believe the country is overpopulated (one of the most densely populated in Europe) and that preparing for immigration by building houses and increasing school and hospital provision is pie in the sky thinking considering all of those services are currently overrun. The only migrants I want entering Britain are those who are taking jobs we can't (not won't) do ourselves - such as a doctor shortage - and I would prefer it if those jobs were skilled. We can train our own unemployed cheaply to take unskilled positions.

I couldn't care less if those skilled migrants believed in Jesus, Buddha or the flying spaghetti monster.

But these shouldn't be permanent migrants and most would be going home after the conflict is over.
 
Reading some of the views on here I can sadly say that I'm ashamed to consider myself a Blue....

Absolute Vermin. No compassion for fellow human beings, never mind those Humans who would share a common interest with.

As far as I'm concerned I'd personally throw you ignorant bigoted cunts out of Manchester right now and you'll be claiming asylum in the Swamp.
 
But these shouldn't be permanent migrants and most would be going home after the conflict is over.

I fully agree. I'd be happy to take a fair share of migrants in temporarily, particularly children. However, when will the conflict end and how do you think it will end? If every peaceful Syrian is offered 'temporary' asylum then what will they have to go home to? A country run by ISIS?
 
I believe the country is overpopulated (one of the most densely populated in Europe) and that preparing for immigration by building houses and increasing school and hospital provision is pie in the sky thinking considering all of those services are currently overrun. The only migrants I want entering Britain are those who are taking jobs we can't (not won't) do ourselves - such as a doctor shortage - and I would prefer it if those jobs were skilled. We can train our own unemployed cheaply to take unskilled positions.

I couldn't care less if those skilled migrants believed in Jesus, Buddha or the flying spaghetti monster.
They're not 'migrants' or 'immigrants', they're refugees.

What is the difference between a refugee and a migrant?

A migrant is a person who makes a conscious choice to leave their country to seek a better life elsewhere. Before they decide to leave their country, migrants can seek information about their new home, study the language and explore employment opportunities. They can plan their travel, take their belongings with them and say goodbye to the important people in their lives. They are free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind.

Refugees are forced to leave their country because they are at risk of, or have experienced persecution. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. They leave behind their homes, most or all of their belongings, family members and friends. Some are forced to flee with no warning and many have experienced significant trauma or been tortured or otherwise ill-treated. The journey to safety is fraught with hazard and many refugees risk their lives in search of protection. They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. (RCOA)
 
I fully agree. I'd be happy to take a fair share of migrants in temporarily, particularly children. However, when will the conflict end and how do you think it will end? If every peaceful Syrian is offered 'temporary' asylum then what will they have to go home to? A country run by ISIS?

This is where my compassion ends, it has to end with the eradication of ISIS (I don't know how) or an attempt to make them non-cohesive. Marry this initiative with weeding out the ISIS runners from the folk we take in but remembering to take good care of our guests because they have been through hell mainly.
 
They're not 'migrants' or 'immigrants', they're refugees.

What is the difference between a refugee and a migrant?

A migrant is a person who makes a conscious choice to leave their country to seek a better life elsewhere. Before they decide to leave their country, migrants can seek information about their new home, study the language and explore employment opportunities. They can plan their travel, take their belongings with them and say goodbye to the important people in their lives. They are free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind.

Refugees are forced to leave their country because they are at risk of, or have experienced persecution. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. They leave behind their homes, most or all of their belongings, family members and friends. Some are forced to flee with no warning and many have experienced significant trauma or been tortured or otherwise ill-treated. The journey to safety is fraught with hazard and many refugees risk their lives in search of protection. They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. (RCOA)

According to that definition, as soon as they hit Turkey, they're migrants. They're safe in Turkey and want to move to the EU or, in the case of the tragic drowned child, places further afield like Canada to better themselves and their families.

And how do you foresee the Syrian situation improving unless the Syrian people take action? I'm not saying it'll be easy and I certainly don't know how is best to go about it, but if every peaceful Syrian is offered refuge or asylum, what does that leave in Syria? And how can leaving a bunch of people intent on war in Syria possibly end well?
 
Reading some of the views on here I can sadly say that I'm ashamed to consider myself a Blue....

Honestly i'm not surprised by some of the views expressed in this thread. There's a far right section on this forum who tend to position themselves as centre right, however in threads like this their true colours shine through. Makes for very depressing reading.

Still the number of top Blues taking them to task and showing them up for the mildly sociopathic ignorant bigots that they are is always a welcome sight.
 
Reading some of the views on here I can sadly say that I'm ashamed to consider myself a Blue....

Absolute Vermin. No compassion for fellow human beings, never mind those Humans who would share a common interest with.

As far as I'm concerned I'd personally throw you ignorant bigoted cunts out of Manchester right now and you'll be claiming asylum in the Swamp.

To be fair, it's only the same small (albeit vocal) minority who try and dominate most political discussions on here with their right-wing rhetoric.

I'd say most people with any degree of compassion think we should be accepting refugees in the UK to help avert a humanitarian disaster.
 
According to that definition, as soon as they hit Turkey, they're migrants. They're safe in Turkey and want to move to the EU or, in the case of the tragic drowned child, places further afield like Canada to better themselves and their families.

And how do you foresee the Syrian situation improving unless the Syrian people take action? I'm not saying it'll be easy and I certainly don't know how is best to go about it, but if every peaceful Syrian is offered refuge or asylum, what does that leave in Syria? And how can leaving a bunch of people intent on war in Syria possibly end well?

No they aren't they are still refugees as they are not "free to return home at any time if things don’t work out as they had hoped, if they get homesick or if they wish to visit family members and friends left behind".

As refugees "They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves".
 
And how do you foresee the Syrian situation improving unless the Syrian people take action? I'm not saying it'll be easy and I certainly don't know how is best to go about it

You certainly don't, maybe the unarmed students, farmers, accountants, doctors, retired council workers and bricklayers of Syria could give ISIS a big wedgie? Or challenge them to a game of Twister, winner gets to keep Syria? Or get them to all sit on the floor Gandhi style protesting and hope that they still have a head on their shoulders after ISIS show?

Maybe they just need a charismatic leader like you Stew who can lead them armed with some arch tactics you learned whilst playing Call of Duty

I've changed my mind about these refugees anyway Stew, if they cant even be arsed overthrowing ISIS they are no good to us the lazy sods- I know it can be done I can take over a whole base on Metal Gear using no weapons
 
Honestly i'm not surprised by some of the views expressed in this thread. There's a far right section on this forum who tend to position themselves as centre right, however in threads like this their true colours shine through. Makes for very depressing reading.

Still the number of top Blues taking them to task and showing them up for the mildly sociopathic ignorant bigots that they are is always a welcome sight.
As you know, they like to call themselves the 'silent majority' and live in a world where only Farage talks sense.
 
It's that moot you keep bringing it up.
I was responding to @bluemanc and his earlier posts, he brought the subject up, twice. You then quoted my post with your own response, anything I've said since then has been a direct response to you jumping on my post to @bluemanc.
Here's the discussion to help you follow who and what has been said by who.

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/shocked.315539/page-62

Let me just reiterate what I've already said in response to somebody crying about neighbouring countries 'not taking any refugees'.
I don't care what they do and the reasons for their inertia (this isn't the thread for that discussion) all I care about is having some compassion and doing what I feel is the right thing for us to do as one of the most powerful and rich countries in the world.
That surely means setting an example to the countries in the world that do nothing, that would help highlight their lack of action, wouldn't it?
If we don't help we're as bad as you say they are. You seem to think that I'm defending those countries or making excuses for their actions? I'm not, I was trying to shed some light on the complexities that surround this crisis for those who clearly haven't got a clue what is going on.

Again you come across as one of those who have some deeper issues surrounding this sort of narrative, towards the people involved and noticeably their beliefs (you mentioned religion).
I noticed you failed to explain the 'who and what they are' line.
 
"The 6 Gulf countries: Qatar, UAE, S.Arabia,Kuwait, Oman & Bahrain offered 0 places to Syrian refugees."
Is this true??or is this right that they refuse to take refugees OR don't refugees like these countries.
Just interested to know why these countries have a fear of taking these people.

Quite possibly the same fear as the UK have, in taking in a monumental 216 or 4500 depending on who you want to believe.
 
I noticed you failed to explain the 'who and what they are' line.

I replied to that but you must be hard of reading or incapable of looking for any post that doesn't fit your narrative.You carry on making excuses for the bigots in the ME and I and many like me will welcome these asylum seekers into our country without prejudice.
If you don't think religion isn't a root cause of this together with the power struggle you just ain't reading the situation right. Have you got links to the countries that wont accept the asylum seekers?


Who and what are they?

Yes they are bigots because they wont accept asylum seekers because they are not the kind of people they want, have you got a problem with that?

I never said they were or weren't 'bigots'. I asked you to elaborate on the 'who and what they are' line.
I suggest you read the article @Ducado has posted above.

Temper, temper! Anger begets hatred my friend.

Why did you answer to my reply and then forget that I answered? If you can't extrapolate that the bigots I was referring to were the states surrounding Syria and not allowing any in (As the contextual toing and froing was suggesting) then your comprehension is in need of some attention.
 
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