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Refugee crisis
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The blue phantom
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They will have to do something if fellow prem league clubs start donatingThis is rather a PR nightmare for ADUG. I get the impression that they are keeping their heads down on this issue.
What that is who knows.
Monkfish
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In case anyone has missed it,the father of the child shown dead on the beach AND his family were offered Canadian citizenship,he refused & he then put them on an unsuitable boat & they died.
Strange that his actions are ignored.
I'll make sure nobody misses this - that's your usual made up nonsense - what sources so you use for your information? Britain First? Katie Hopkins? Or do you just make stuff up unprompted to irritate people? Do you go down the pub every night and spout this bile?
Strange that your thought processes exist, guess you have an agenda and have to skirt around any facts to fit it
These people are doing what they think is best for them and their families. If I were there I'd be doing exactly the same and so would any one of us. It's easy to make judgements from our safe free island.
We can't bury our heads in the sand much longer. It's getting too close to home now. The Western world needs to be strong and if that means military action, no matter how unpopular it is, then so be it. We have to deal with the problem at source. There's a civil war going on with millions of people fleeing. That flow of people won't suddenly stop if we let some of them live here. The smugglers and traffickers putting on those ships are making money and more often than not that money goes to IS.
It will take a very wise person to come up with the best solution. I don't think that person is in control if indeed he or she exists.
We can't bury our heads in the sand much longer. It's getting too close to home now. The Western world needs to be strong and if that means military action, no matter how unpopular it is, then so be it. We have to deal with the problem at source. There's a civil war going on with millions of people fleeing. That flow of people won't suddenly stop if we let some of them live here. The smugglers and traffickers putting on those ships are making money and more often than not that money goes to IS.
It will take a very wise person to come up with the best solution. I don't think that person is in control if indeed he or she exists.
BillyShears
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It seems to being ignored,infact it doesn't seem,it is.
They refuse point blank to take any,its well reported that they see a large proportion of the migrants as former fighters.
Does seem a disproportionate amount of adult males,
In case anyone has missed it,the father of the child shown dead on the beach AND his family were offered Canadian citizenship,he refused & he then put them on an unsuitable boat & they died.
Strange that his actions are ignored.
They didn't miss it the first time you posted it and I'm sure they won't miss it now either. The amount of people who have thus far ignored it suggests most don't give a fuck what spin you put on a dead child.
BillyShears
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This is rather a PR nightmare for ADUG. I get the impression that they are keeping their heads down on this issue.
Indeed, but this is where their ownership of a Premier League club and the PR has a price. They can't ignore the issue if as I suspect over the course of the week more and more clubs begin to show their hand in terms of fundraising.
In case anyone has missed it,the father of the child shown dead on the beach AND his family were offered Canadian citizenship,he refused & he then put them on an unsuitable boat & they died.
Strange that his actions are ignored.
As monkfish has pointed out, this is categorically untrue. I find it reprehensible that some people are desperate the lay the blame for the boy's death at the hands of his parents.
The views in this thread are the most "shocking" part.
24 years ago as a 11 year old then i was a refugee, and was living for 12 months in a set up refugee shelter in a neighboring country. In desperate times you'll do anything to survive and to offer your family a better life wherever that may be.
It's always easy to sprout your shite towards something when it doesn't directly affect you.
24 years ago as a 11 year old then i was a refugee, and was living for 12 months in a set up refugee shelter in a neighboring country. In desperate times you'll do anything to survive and to offer your family a better life wherever that may be.
It's always easy to sprout your shite towards something when it doesn't directly affect you.
bluemanc
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Its not spin its the truth.The family were offered Canadian Citizenship,i'll repeat THE FAMILY WERE OFFERED CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP.They didn't miss it the first time you posted it and I'm sure they won't miss it now either. The amount of people who have thus far ignored it suggests most don't give a fuck what spin you put on a dead child.
THEY REFUSED.
I couldnt care less that you are in denial about what the father has done,but it doesn't alter the fact his actions have caused the death of that child on the beach.
As for the dismissing of neighbouring countries REFUSING to take migrants,thats a FACT aswell,
Monkfish is not going to be happy when he decides to google both those facts and finds them to be true.
Notice how both of you have got personal & i haven't bit?finger hovering over the report button at my first go back i'll bet.
Like i said the 2 points are factual,good luck dealing with them.
The blue phantom
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Don't let the few bellends on here get you down mate..The views in this thread are the most "shocking" part.
24 years ago as a 11 year old then i was a refugee, and was living for 12 months in a set up refugee shelter in a neighboring country. In desperate times you'll do anything to survive and to offer your family a better life wherever that may be.
It's always easy to sprout your shite towards something when it doesn't directly affect you.
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The Govts response and coverage is next to zero as its all about the War in Yemen. What I will say is that the Govt. have spent many Millions on defeating the threat from ISIS as they take it very serious but to back up bluemancs view a few pages back that was immediately shot down by Monkfish the Saudi's have no time for any one other than themselves. Syrians will not want to come here as they will be second class citizens. This country is tribal, Bedouin actually who fight between themselves therefore Tribe first Muslims second. Lots of Muslims from the Middle East come here to work but are not respected they are the lucky ones. The Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshi are treated literally like shit here, they are invited over to do the shittiest of jobs and are literally imprisoned (passports taken off them and must do 2 years before they can leave the country). That would happen to the Syrians added to that strict Sharia law, I could go on therefore the last place these people would go is here, the Saudi's have huge problems with securing the Northern border from the ISIS threat and are fighting a nasty War in Yemen which is the absolute focus for them at the moment. Having said all that Saudi especially Riyadh has a huge migrant population and the locals detest it !
I always find the reaction of the Saudi's utterly bizarre, even their amassed fortune and existence quite literally goes against the core principles of their own supposed devout Islam society. They ought to be ashamed but then again they are a bit like Israel who just have a law unto themselves but even the Israeli's have shown to have a heart in this. It is written in the Quran that Muslims should assist where they can in their hours of need and where are they? For a country where any other religion is illegal and one which employs Police to punish those not following their religion, it is really quite ironic that they sit there and do nothing.
Anyway this isn't about religion but maybe for once it should be? The hypocrisy sometimes is unbelievable.
Prestwich_Blue
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No matter how big the letters you use to type it, it's completely untrue I'm afraid.They were denied asylum in Canada. All the relevant documentation was submitted, together with proof of financial support but it was turned down by the Canadian government.Its not spin its the truth.The family were offered Canadian Citizenship,i'll repeat THE FAMILY WERE OFFERED CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP.
THEY REFUSED.
The dad was offered Canadian citizenship as a PR move by the Canadian government after he lost his family. I believe he's turned it down. He's lost everything. What he actually said on the news last night was an appeal for more regional help. He wasn't calling on the West to help.
Its not spin its the truth.The family were offered Canadian Citizenship,i'll repeat THE FAMILY WERE OFFERED CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP.
THEY REFUSED.
I couldnt care less that you are in denial about what the father has done,but it doesn't alter the fact his actions have caused the death of that child on the beach.
As for the dismissing of neighbouring countries REFUSING to take migrants,thats a FACT aswell,
Monkfish is not going to be happy when he decides to google both those facts and finds them to be true.
Notice how both of you have got personal & i haven't bit?finger hovering over the report button at my first go back i'll bet.
Like i said the 2 points are factual,good luck dealing with them.
It's not true. There are conflicting reports as to whether or not the father was offered Canadian citizenship in the aftermath of Wednesday's events (he claims he was, Canada claims he wasn't), but that's irrelevant. You said he was offered citizenship for the family previously, and that he rejected it which led to their deaths. That is categorically untrue.
Prestwich_Blue
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These reports (and I've not seen any that have said that) are completely false and have been denied by the Canadian Immigration authority. There is no truth in them at all.The dad was offered Canadian citizenship as a PR move by the Canadian government after he lost his family. I believe he's turned it down. He's lost everything. What he actually said on the news last night was an appeal for more regional help. He wasn't calling on the West to help.
Ducado
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I think some people have a problem with the wording i.e Migrant and Refugee, now it appears to me that there are two problems running side by side here, we have thousands of Syrians fleeing a bloody civil war (refugees) in the main they are coming through Turkey on the other hand we have thousands of of people (mainly from Africa) fleeing grinding poverty, lack of opportunity etc mainly coming through Libya they both need to be dealt with in different ways
I beleive that we have a moral obligation (the whole of the rich world) to assist Refugees and provide them with a decent place of safety either far away from their country or close by, with economic migrants it's more complex because we can not allow unrestricted immigration of this type, it fuels poverty undermines wages, causes social problems etc. I don't blame anyone for wanting to come here or Europe/USA Canada/Australia although I think the reality of life here is a lot different than any of them imagine and for most it will be harder than the one they left behind
I beleive that we have a moral obligation (the whole of the rich world) to assist Refugees and provide them with a decent place of safety either far away from their country or close by, with economic migrants it's more complex because we can not allow unrestricted immigration of this type, it fuels poverty undermines wages, causes social problems etc. I don't blame anyone for wanting to come here or Europe/USA Canada/Australia although I think the reality of life here is a lot different than any of them imagine and for most it will be harder than the one they left behind
smudgedj
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No matter how big the letters you use to type it, it's completely untrue I'm afraid.They were denied asylum in Canada. All the relevant documentation was submitted, together with proof of financial support but it was turned down by the Canadian government.
CNN just said that the Canadian immigration said that they received no refugee application from the family.
Also the citizenship was offered by Canada after the kids and his wife died.
Prestwich_Blue
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Here's a quote that should clear up any confuion over this:
The Citizenship and Immigration Department said that the family could not be granted asylum because the UN would not register them as refugees, and the Turkish government would not grant them exit visas because they did not have passports. Fin Donnelly, the MP for Port Moody-Coquitlam, said he brought the family's case to the attention of Canadian Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander, but the application was still rejected. "This is horrific and heartbreaking news," Donnelly said. "The frustration of waiting and the inaction has been terrible."
These reports (and I've not seen any that have said that) are completely false and have been denied by the Canadian Immigration authority. There is no truth in them at all.
Just repeating ITN news at Ten from last night.
Prestwich_Blue
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They did receive it and rejected it. There is no credible report of citizenship being offered after the wife and kids died.CNN just said that the Canadian immigration said that they received no refugee application from the family.
Also the citizenship was offered by Canada after the kids and his wife died.