City Vs Bournemouth Post Match Thread

[Utter bobbins]

Spot on. Week after week, x player is shit because we gave a chance away to a premier league side or the manager is tactically clueless because they got the ball into our box etc.

Fucking boring to be honest reading the same shite.

Top of the league with the greatest side in our history and some of the finest attacking football anywhere in the world.

Good job we watch football played by humans rather than characters on a PC screen

 

[cleavers]

We might still win the League, but I fear for a repeat of the White Hart Lane farce.

That "farce" was because we didn't take our chances early on, and right on half time an official was shite/bent, clearly we were dreadful second half, but shit happens. Some of our star players were to blame for not putting good chances away, and had we been 3 or 4 up, as we should have been, the shite/bent official wouldn't have had any impact on the result, and we'd have coasted through the second half comfortably.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

That "farce" was because we didn't take our chances early on, and right on half time an official was shite/bent, clearly we were dreadful second half, but shit happens. Some of our star players were to blame for not putting good chances away, and had we been 3 or 4 up, as we should have been, the shite/bent official wouldn't have had any impact on the result, and we'd have coasted through the second half comfortably.

Fair enough to a point, but the same thing happened at the swamp last season, when we didn't put away our early chances, and then went to pieces after a dodgy refereeing decision.
We were always going to beat Bournemouth, but we lack the control of the Mancini era to stroll to a comfortable 2-0, (which was my answer to the previous point)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I usually like your posts but if you read page 15 post 148 perhaps you will apologise. :)

You and several other posters clearly have just not read the thread properly.

Yes I apologise. I'd been out then came back and saw your post, not realising it was a lot earlier. Mind you I could possibly throw the charge of not reading the thread properly at you as well as I think the subject had been covered earlier. Anyway, we've established the facts and I got at least one journalist to change his match report.

 

[cleavers]

Fair enough to a point, but the same thing happened at the swamp last season, when we didn't put away our early chances, and then went to pieces after a dodgy refereeing decision.
We were always going to beat Bournemouth, but we lack the control of the Mancini era to stroll to a comfortable 2-0, (which was my answer to the previous point)

Really ?

Hmmmm, lets have a look, this season....

WBA 0-3 City
City 3-0 Chelsea
Everton 0-2 City
City 2-0 Watford
Palace 0-1 City

Oh and I'd call 5-1 and 6-1 "strolling to win" personally.

Bring back Mancini !

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Really ?

Hmmmm, lets have a look, this season....

WBA 0-3 City
City 3-0 Chelsea
Everton 0-2 City
City 2-0 Watford
Palace 0-1 City

Oh and I'd call 5-1 and 6-1 "strolling to win" personally.

Bring back Mancini !

we played a lot better in those early games, for whatever reason. There was complete control in those WBA/Chelsea/Everton wins that has been lacking since.

 

[stonerblue]

I thought Man City fans were a decent bunch... Lots of songs and kept going throughout, however, watching MOTD back, apart from the rendition of Blue Moon, which is the only song 'the ground' knows, you barely heard them on TV...

However, for large parts we, as a crowd, I thought we were really quiet yesterday... It was, I suppose, always going to be disjointed, being split over 3 tiers and no one really being able to hear anyone else...

Was nice to see their fans in their 'singing section' also applauding us when we came over...

Man City fans seemed a decent bunch... Didn't get caught up in all the 'Big Time Charlie' crap of continually taunting us (except for one song), and just focused on supporting their team...

I had plenty of discussion on the way home last night on this, but despite all the money and their global image, I was surprised at the fact they seemed to be a proper club with proper fans... No tourist fans... with an amazing stadium...

Read more: http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootbal...asp?tid=72732&start=21&posts=27#ixzz3ov9rSLHT

some nice comments from the bournemouth fans

'The hot chocolate tasted like janie olivers urine,' is a cracker.

 

[cleavers]

we played a lot better in those early games, for whatever reason.

It might have something to do with the disruption the squad is suffering with all these injuries ? In those early games we barely made a team change, and since then its been 2 or more defensive changes every week, not to mention other regular changes.

 

[stonerblue]

Only relaying what I was told, wasn't saying it was accurate.

Every fucking game now there's at least one minutes applause/silence and usually, like yesterday, two. I'm sick of it. Now it seems we have to join in with this emotional blackmail even when we don't know what or who is being respected/mourned.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Every fucking game now there's at least one minutes applause/silence and usually, like yesterday, two. I'm sick of it. Now it seems we have to join in with this emotional blackmail even when we don't know what or who is being respected/mourned.

I didn't have a clue what people were clapping for yesterday. I think 90% of people clapping just join in without knowing too.

 

[Ducado]

I didn't have a clue what people were clapping for yesterday. I think 90% of people clapping just join in without knowing too.

It's becoming a bit much now I agree

 

[silverback]

Spot on. Week after week, x player is shit because we gave a chance away to a premier league side or the manager is tactically clueless because they got the ball into our box etc.

Fucking boring to be honest reading the same shite.

Top of the league with the greatest side in our history and some of the finest attacking football anywhere in the world.

Malcolm Allison used to say that even if you batter teams they will have a good 10 minute patch in any match. I think that a lot of people forget ( or being kidded by so called experts ) that players today are getting more adept on the ball and it would be impossible to keep them quiet for the 90 minutes.

 

[Chris in London]

Yeah was a penalty but sterling wasn't offside

Correct.

I have been irritated for some time by references to Sterling's first goal being said to be offside. It was not.

I will explain why in a moment, but first, does anybody remember Adebayor winning a penalty against Wolves (in a game we went on to lose) when Obvs was still in charge? There was a through ball down the left channel into the penalty area. Adebayor caught up with the ball just before the dead ball line, and stopped the ball before it went out of play, but Adebayor's own momentum took him over the dead ball line and therefore out of the area.

The Wolves defender's momentum also took him over the dead ball line, and he caught Adebayor in what was a clear foul.

I read somewhere (go knows where) that the referee had been right to give a penalty even though the foul took place outside the area - i.e. over the dead ball line. The reason was because no player is entitled to leave the field of the play without permission. If you do not have permission to leave the field of play you are deemed to be on it, in the position that you left the field. So the foul on Adebayor was deemed to be in the penalty area, even though it actually took place a yard over the dead ball line.

This is why Sterling's goal was not offside. True, when Bony got a toe on the ball, Sterling was a foot ahead of the nearest defender. However don't forget that when Zaba headed the ball back across the goal, he went out of play on the far side. So did the Bournemouth defender who was challenging him, so their momentum took him and Zaba into the hoardings in front of the south stand. But, like Adebayor, the Bournemouth defender did not have permission to leave the field of play, and so was deemed still to be on the field of play at the point he left it - i.e. on the touch line. (Zaba was level with him on this analysis but was plainly no longer 'active' having headed the ball back across goal.) So between Sterling and the goal line when Bony got a touch on it were (1) the keeper, and (2) the Bournemouth defender deemed to be on the dead ball line.

So not offside.

Fuck knows why various media commentators who get paid to write about football don't actually understand the rules.

 

[Rolee]

Correct.

I have been irritated for some time by references to Sterling's first goal being said to be offside. It was not.

I will explain why in a moment, but first, does anybody remember Adebayor winning a penalty against Wolves (in a game we went on to lose) when Obvs was still in charge? There was a through ball down the left channel into the penalty area. Adebayor caught up with the ball just before the dead ball line, and stopped the ball before it went out of play, but Adebayor's own momentum took him over the dead ball line and therefore out of the area.

The Wolves defender's momentum also took him over the dead ball line, and he caught Adebayor in what was a clear foul.

I read somewhere (go knows where) that the referee had been right to give a penalty even though the foul took place outside the area - i.e. over the dead ball line. The reason was because no player is entitled to leave the field of the play without permission. If you do not have permission to leave the field of play you are deemed to be on it, in the position that you left the field. So the foul on Adebayor was deemed to be in the penalty area, even though it actually took place a yard over the dead ball line.

This is why Sterling's goal was not offside. True, when Bony got a toe on the ball, Sterling was a foot ahead of the nearest defender. However don't forget that when Zaba headed the ball back across the goal, he went out of play on the far side. So did the Bournemouth defender who was challenging him, so their momentum took him and Zaba into the hoardings in front of the south stand. But, like Adebayor, the Bournemouth defender did not have permission to leave the field of play, and so was deemed still to be on the field of play at the point he left it - i.e. on the touch line. (Zaba was level with him on this analysis but was plainly no longer 'active' having headed the ball back across goal.) So between Sterling and the goal line when Bony got a touch on it were (1) the keeper, and (2) the Bournemouth defender deemed to be on the dead ball line.

So not offside.

Fuck knows why various media commentators who get paid to write about football don't actually understand the rules.

Good post but you could've saved yourself a lot of time explaining as the Bournemouth defender had his hand on the line so was in fact still on the pitch.

 

[Chris in London]

Good post but you could've saved yourself a lot of time explaining as the Bournemouth defender had his hand on the line so was in fact still on the pitch.

When it comes to the offside rule the only parts of the body that count are the parts you can legitimately play the ball with

:)

 

[Healdplace]

Yes I apologise. I'd been out then came back and saw your post, not realising it was a lot earlier. Mind you I could possibly throw the charge of not reading the thread properly at you as well as I think the subject had been covered earlier. Anyway, we've established the facts and I got at least one journalist to change his match report.

That's fair do's and I am happy with that. I did read the post match thread and had not seen it clarified earlier than that page. And did not read the match thread being at the match. But if it was mentioned earlier and I missed it, my mistake, of course.

 

[stablemcfc]

It'll never catch on with some people, they want 1-0.

After about 35 minutes I said to my lad that it could end up about 8-3, entertainment all the way, why would anyone prefer 1-0 ?

Pellegrini & Mourinho/LvG are like 2 opposite ends of the scale. Pellegrini the all out attack, who cares what the score is lets just go & score some more. Then Mourinho/LvG thinking at 1 or 2-0 to shut up shop & play possession/defensive, no matter if it's only 20 minutes into the match. No doubt I'm happy we're on the attacking side of that scale, and whether they admit it or not I'm sure United/Chelsea fans would rather play more exciting stuff.

Do think sometimes we are a bit silly with it, incredible to watch, but every now & then a bit of just being solid wouldn't be amiss at City. Doubt anyone is calling for us to try & grind out wins 1-0, but sometimes we're 2-1 up with 5 minutes to go & still playing open, do you really want to win 3-1 that badly you'd sacrifice the 3 points rather than have 5 minutes of less exciting stuff but come away with the win?

When we play teams we're clearly better than such as B'mouth it works out well for us, if we were incredible defensively they'd never have got out their half & we wouldn't have scored half our goals from the counter attack - being open actually entices teams out, and fair play to B'mouth they had a go, but it ended up killing them really.
It's the matches where it's more 50:50 that it can look a bit foolish if we're going all out & concede a few silly goals early on.

Saying that though, it certainly does make for some amazing matches to watch, just need to look back to the Monchengladbach match where it looked more likely to end up 8-7 to someone rather than the 2-1.

 

[eversince 76]

Pellegrini & Mourinho/LvG are like 2 opposite ends of the scale. Pellegrini the all out attack, who cares what the score is lets just go & score some more. Then Mourinho/LvG thinking at 1 or 2-0 to shut up shop & play possession/defensive, no matter if it's only 20 minutes into the match. No doubt I'm happy we're on the attacking side of that scale, and whether they admit it or not I'm sure United/Chelsea fans would rather play more exciting stuff.

Do think sometimes we are a bit silly with it, incredible to watch, but every now & then a bit of just being solid wouldn't be amiss at City. Doubt anyone is calling for us to try & grind out wins 1-0, but sometimes we're 2-1 up with 5 minutes to go & still playing open, do you really want to win 3-1 that badly you'd sacrifice the 3 points rather than have 5 minutes of less exciting stuff but come away with the win?

When we play teams we're clearly better than such as B'mouth it works out well for us, if we were incredible defensively they'd never have got out their half & we wouldn't have scored half our goals from the counter attack - being open actually entices teams out, and fair play to B'mouth they had a go, but it ended up killing them really.
It's the matches where it's more 50:50 that it can look a bit foolish if we're going all out & concede a few silly goals early on.

Saying that though, it certainly does make for some amazing matches to watch, just need to look back to the Monchengladbach match where it looked more likely to end up 8-7 to someone rather than the 2-1.

Totally agree with the animating factor Pellegrini wants from his teams. Even my old man, a footie but not supporting a specific team, says he loves to watch City because their games are never boring since Pellegrini took over. I think under Mancini we also played some attractive stuff, but not with the goal to win by outscoring your opponent. I know it's sometimes nailbiting stuff and our defence looks open, but I also bite my nails when we try to defend a one goal lead, so there's no difference in that. I however think Pellegrini has changed the style slightly playing with one foreward and trying to make more use of the pace Sterling and Navas carry. KDB is perfect from that point of view with his direct and precise passes. The game vs Bournemouth showed this frequently, also due to the fact Bournemouth weren't afraid to come out and chase us. They were said to be naieve, like we have been said to be naieve in CL-games. Yet people watching it surely must have enjoyed the game for 90plus minutes.

 

[Neville Kneville]

It isn't about a choice between winning 1-0 or winning 10-3. It's about whether the team is performing as well as is possible with the players available & whether the players and manager are the best we can feasibly employ.

I've been unable to attend the last two games but popped in to read bits of the match threads. I've now seen the full matches & imo a lot of the criticisms of individual players including Sterling first half v Newcastle, was wildly over the top, but some performances, mainly defensively, are not top eight standard, never mind top one standard.

The truth imo is that we are looking fantastic at times going forward & completely inept defensively. There is absolutely no need for most of the defensive inepteness, it's not down to our attacking game, it's down to poor play & bad organisation. It absolutely has to improve, it's simply not good enough at this level.

We are so good going forward, that I fully expect us to win the title, even the players who get slated, Bony, Sterling, Navas etc, are better than most who start in our Premier League competitor's teams. But some of the defending, as a team, & individually, is nowhere near the acceptable standard. If we don't improve quickly, although we will probably still win the title anyway, we will be set for several more embarrassments, like at Spurs, along the way.

Not all our opponents will be like Bournmouth & Newcastle. Some will actually defend properly & hit us on the counter. We are heading for the 'frying pan in the face' moment unless we get back to doing the basics right.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Good post but you could've saved yourself a lot of time explaining as the Bournemouth defender had his hand on the line so was in fact still on the pitch.

You keep coming out with this nonsense, which is wrong as (a) there's no such provison in the laws of the game (b) those laws say you're on the pitch unless the ref says you aren't.