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I think a big reason for the want and need for a badge change is because so many people have never liked the eagle and other aspects.

The daft stars that mean nothing, the ridiculous eagle sticking its tongue out from United's 1958 FA Cup final kit, and the stupid Latin that doesn't mean what we think it does when we've naturally developed our own motto in recent years ("we fight to the end").

All three things were thrown on is with absolutely no consultation or vote or owt. Many people have never liked any of them (granted many people have) but I think the question of "can we change our badge" has always been there because so many people hated those things and wanted to get rid of them.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
I think a big reason for the want and need for a badge change is because so many people have never liked the eagle and other aspects.

The daft stars that mean nothing, the ridiculous eagle sticking its tongue out from United's 1958 FA Cup final kit, and the stupid Latin that doesn't mean what we think it does when we've naturally developed our own motto in recent years ("we fight to the end").

All three things were thrown on is with absolutely no consultation or vote or owt. Many people have never liked any of them (granted many people have) but I think the question of "can we change our badge" has always been there because so many people hated those things and wanted to get rid of them.
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I agree with all of that
 
Bentheblue said:
Then why are you bothering to mention the round badge from 68 if you do not want the old badge back? I am well aware we have won the league title 4 time but as I said it will be 3 Premierships in May next year. Christ people do like to argue on this sight.
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I haven't once mentioned wanting the 68 badge back because I don't. My original point was aimed at your ludicrous suggestion that we keep the stars to signify our third Premier league win, completely ignoring our previous two titles and not considering that we might win it again.

You seem very touchy. However, me pointing out the obvious flaws in your posts does not constitute an argument. You may well be the only person on the thread who has said they like the stars. Fair enough. To keep them in order to mark our Premier league wins though would be pathetic.
 
WorsleyBlue said:
The neighbours first, sadly they share the ship with us and the name Manchester. It also avoids mediocrity. As a global brand, you need something iconic and thats our eagle. Pains me to say it but the devil did and continues to do a lot for them in terms of brand. Fucking hate sarcasm by the way!
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You can hate sarcasm all you want but if me pointing out that an eagle on our badge wouldn't set us apart from numerous other clubs with eagles upsets you then you might want to reconsider this forum lark.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
I think a big reason for the want and need for a badge change is because so many people have never liked the eagle and other aspects.

The daft stars that mean nothing, the ridiculous eagle sticking its tongue out from United's 1958 FA Cup final kit, and the stupid Latin that doesn't mean what we think it does when we've naturally developed our own motto in recent years ("we fight to the end").

All three things were thrown on is with absolutely no consultation or vote or owt. Many people have never liked any of them (granted many people have) but I think the question of "can we change our badge" has always been there because so many people hated those things and wanted to get rid of them.
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That's true for a lot of people especially older fans, but I think quite a few including my son didn't mind the Eagle or stars while we had Umbro kits. In his case it's only since we started having the badge on a shield he's gone off it preferring a round badge. That said if the Eagle was incorporated into a round badge he'd be quite happy.
 
I think the stars are such an issue with some because fans of other clubs try to use it as a stick to beat us with. I may be wrong but when we released the new badge in the 90's, apart from Brazil, I don't remember many clubs or nations using stars to signify cup wins.

Not that it matters anyway as couldn't care less what fans of other clubs think, all that bothers me is that it doesn't signify or represent anything. If you do make it relevant to something such as cup wins or titles then we'd have to change the badge as we become even more successful, I imagine a shirt of just stars in a few years time the way we are going!!

So for me a badge that represents something is important, but interestingly I've just read the "three rivers" on Mcr coat of arms aren't anything to do with rivers at all, but was Roger de Grelley's family crest "Gules three bendlets enhanced or" which simply translates as red shield three diagonal stripes in gold".

Looks like I need to go to one of Gary's lectures!

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/4...anchester_city_council_crest_in_to_the_future
 
blueparrot said:
That's true for a lot of people especially older fans, but I think quite a few including my son didn't mind the Eagle or stars while we had Umbro kits. In his case it's only since we started having the badge on a shield he's gone off it preferring a round badge. That said if the Eagle was incorporated into a round badge he'd be quite happy.
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one can argue that all the elements on the badges don't have a place in the evolving City now ... some can argue the rose, ship, st. marks are outdated. the stars, eagle, bees have no relevance to City as a football club ... so some can argue we need a complete new and fresh identity going forward.

personally, i dont know what I want now ... and starting to care less now. Just change it to whatever and move on, some will be happy, some wont, its the outcome we face, i think.
 
Gary James said:
I'd really like to stress that it's important to understand every element of the badges City have had and would urge everyone to book on one of my lectures and/or visit the consultation space. We did the first last night and I was amazed at the number of people who said that their views had changed once they'd listened to the badge evolution and seen images showing the use of ALL of our badges. For example the original (pre Red Rose) badge was worn on the pitch at Wembley in 1970 (come to the talks to find out more and to see the evidence) and it was prominent at the ECWC final of 1970, FAC final of 1969 and during City's 1967-68 title winning season. I'll explain all at the talks and will answer questions etc there.

This is a great opportunity City are giving us, so please come to the talks, see the evidence, ask questions and then spread the word of which elements matter to you. More details on the talks here http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/2015/October/Badge-Consultation.

If you came to the talk then please feel free to add your comments on whether you gained anything or not. Cheers

(On the eagle - City do share that with Utd, in fact they wore it first!)
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Can one of these lectures be recorded please so the rest of us that can't make it watch, learn and understand the subject better.
 
GeekinGav said:
one can argue that all the elements on the badges don't have a place in the evolving City now ... some can argue the rose, ship, st. marks are outdated. the stars, eagle, bees have no relevance to City as a football club ... so some can argue we need a complete new and fresh identity going forward.

personally, i dont know what I want now ... and starting to care less now. Just change it to whatever and move on, some will be happy, some wont, its the outcome we face, i think.
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apathy
ˈapəθi/
noun
  1. lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.
    "widespread apathy among students"
    synonyms: indifference, lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm, lack of concern,unconcern, uninterestedness, unresponsiveness, impassivity, passivity,passiveness, detachment, dispassion, dispassionateness, lack of involvement, phlegm, coolness; More
 
TonyM said:
apathy
ˈapəθi/
noun
  1. lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.
    "widespread apathy among students"
    synonyms: indifference, lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm, lack of concern,unconcern, uninterestedness, unresponsiveness, impassivity, passivity,passiveness, detachment, dispassion, dispassionateness, lack of involvement, phlegm, coolness; More
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a City fan said to me yeesterday... "we need something like the Arsenal badge" .... i gave up all hope after that!!
 
I'd hate for us to have something like the current Arsenal badge. The font's all weird and too modern, the bloody cannon was flipped, the shield is all swollen and embarassing, the field (background) of the shield is two different colours for no apparent reason, plus it all looks too much like a modern corporate logo or something out of MLS. I'm bloody glad we're thinking ours through before we commit to a new badge. You have to look at it thinking what will this look like 20, 50 or even 100 years from now.
 
Booked a spot for the Badge Lecture for OSC members on Saturday.
I would urge others to attend as @Gary James was one of the best guests we've ever had at our Branch meeting (Bury Blues)
The guy know's his onions when it comes to City.
 
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