Attacks in Paris

bluemoonmatt said:
"There isn't any suggestion from me that there is a muslim conspiracy, indeed I believe the vast majority of Muslims would probably follow you're lead" (in shopping militants)

I assume you didn't read that sentence and have just made you're mind up on me being some kind of islamaphobic white supremacist?

Been cool chatting with you bro
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Mrs London and her friend could fairly be described as 'shopping militants'. In fact you could also describe as being like a fucking Viking Raiding party with credit cards.

Still, back from Mrs L filling the house with shite we don't need to the attacks in Paris and the underlying reasons for them.
 
bluemoonmatt said:
"There isn't any suggestion from me that there is a muslim conspiracy, indeed I believe the vast majority of Muslims would probably follow you're lead" (in shopping militants)

I assume you didn't read that sentence and have just made you're mind up on me being some kind of islamaphobic white supremacist?

Been cool chatting with you bro
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Oh don't sulk. You cherry-picked a quote. Now you are playing the victim after throwing around some abusive generalisations. We can just disagree. It's fine, really.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
Both.

Look at the religious rallies that turn up in America with the placards damning homosexuality at Gay Pride events. Okay they aren't killing them, but it's the same message from the same type of book read by nutters (just of a lesser extreme).
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More relevantly, we don't blame Christianity for the events in Serbia and Bosnia in the 90s.
 
aguero93:20 said:
More relevantly, we don't blame Christianity for the events in Serbia and Bosnia in the 90s.
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Not sure that's a good example. I don't think Milosevic claimed to have any religiously-inspired motive for the mass murder of thousands of Croats and Bosnians. But you could look at the Holocaust and see the roots of German anti-semitism in the writings of Martin Luther and the legacy of anti-semitism this left on the Protestant church in Germany.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Not sure that's a good example. I don't think Milosevic claimed to have any religiously-inspired motive for the mass murder of thousands of Croats and Bosnians. But you could look at the Holocaust and see the roots of German anti-semitism in the writings of Martin Luther and the legacy of anti-semitism this left on the Protestant church in Germany.
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I'm talking more about the wholesale genocide of Muslims in Bosnia by Christians. If a particular religious group is targeted it's very hard to say it's not religiously motivated.

Agree about Luther, it's funny when people can't see the parallels with the Nazis, who even started their own church/brand of Lutherism, The Reich Church, to proliferate an interpretation of the Bible that promoted their party ideals.
 
coleridge said:
Oh don't sulk. You cherry-picked a quote. Now you are playing the victim after throwing around some abusive generalisations. We can just disagree. It's fine, really.
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I'm sorry old chap, "abusive generalisations"? I have no idea where you've read anything of the sort from me. My argument has centred around my belief that SOME muslims know about ongoing indoctrination and choose to do nothing about it, SOME NOT ALL. Could you point out where the abuse is here because I'd hate to continue offending. I don't really get why you think I'm sulking, and the quote I "cherry picked" was relevant as it directly replied to you're comment. I'm neither an aggressor or a victim so I'm not really following why you have decided to adopt this standpoint. Guess we'll just just have to accept we have differing views.
 
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid." ― Christopher Hitchens
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Not sure that's a good example. I don't think Milosevic claimed to have any religiously-inspired motive for the mass murder of thousands of Croats and Bosnians. But you could look at the Holocaust and see the roots of German anti-semitism in the writings of Martin Luther and the legacy of anti-semitism this left on the Protestant church in Germany.
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The Serbian military were close to the Orthodox Church. Same with the Croats and the Catholic Church. The former had Russia for 'friends' and the latter Germany [for ethnic reasons]. The poor old Bosnians had, er, the Albanians on a bad day.
 
bluemoonmatt said:
I'm sorry old chap, "abusive generalisations"? I have no idea where you've read anything of the sort from me. My argument has centred around my belief that SOME muslims know about ongoing indoctrination and choose to do nothing about it, SOME NOT ALL. Could you point out where the abuse is here because I'd hate to continue offending. I don't really get why you think I'm sulking, and the quote I "cherry picked" was relevant as it directly replied to you're comment. I'm neither an aggressor or a victim so I'm not really following why you have decided to adopt this standpoint. Guess we'll just just have to accept we have differing views.
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I am not making a stand. I am simply telling you that it is abusive to suggest that there are 'some' Muslims [whatever that figure is] who are conspiring with terrorists. There clearly are a few. As I said before, an estimated 700 have gone to Syria [some children, sadly].
In the end, you are talking about, what, a few thousand people across the UK? Out of 2 million. Way less than one percent. And you expect the 2 million to know about it? Seriously? Once again, how?
 
coleridge said:
I am not making a stand. I am simply telling you that it is abusive to suggest that there are 'some' Muslims [whatever that figure is] who are conspiring with terrorists. There clearly are a few. As I said before, an estimated 700 have gone to Syria [some children, sadly].
In the end, you are talking about, what, a few thousand people across the UK? Out of 2 million. Way less than one percent. And you expect the 2 million to know about it? Seriously? Once again, how?
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Have you contradicted yourself there. I'm abusive for suggesting "some mulsims are aware of indoctrination", yet you appear to (finally) concede I have a point by saying "there clearly are a few" so are you now just as abusive as me? I'm confused. For the record I've tried to avoid putting figures other than saying "some" out there as clearly no-one knows and putting numbers on this would be pure speculation. Certainly nowhere have I suggested that 2 million people know about it. I would however suggest its a bit more than the "few" you suggest.
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Have you contradicted yourself there. I'm abusive for suggesting "some mulsims are aware of indoctrination", yet you appear to (finally) concede I have a point by saying "there clearly are a few" so are you now just as abusive as me? I'm confused. For the record I've tried to avoid putting figures other than saying "some" out there as clearly no-one knows and putting numbers on this would be pure speculation. Certainly nowhere have I suggested that 2 million people know about it. I would however suggest its a bit more than the "few" you suggest.
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That just sounds like a smear campaign. You make dangerous inferences. Highly irresponsible.
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid." ― Christopher Hitchens
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Either way humans find a desire and need to be divisive, it is in our blood and always has been, religion just finds a different justification for it. The worlds problems wouldn't be solved with or without religion as the world did not start in 0AD. Conflict has been with us since the dawn of our race. I think deep down our brains are just wired to want a good scrap.
 
mrbelfry said:
you don't know how many it is but suggest a bit more than a few. What's the premise of that assumption?
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Well come on Parents for starters, think about it:

"Mum, I'm going to Syria to join ISIS and become a suicide bomber after my A Levels"
"That's brilliant Mohammed, wait until I tell your uncle Akhbar, he'll be so proud, make sure you kill some filthy Kaffirs for your mummy"
"Thanks Mum, I knew you'd be proud!"
 
inbetween said:
Either way humans find a desire and need to be divisive, it is in our blood and always has been, religion just finds a different justification for it. The worlds problems wouldn't be solved with or without religion as the world did not start in 0AD. Conflict has been with us since the dawn of our race. I think deep down our brains are just wired to want a good scrap.
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Thank you.
 
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