Security at the Etihad

[crmcfc]

Banning a woman's handbag? Just cos i assumer you're a bloke who goes a for piss up and if they buy a prog shove it in their back pocket along with your wallet (and wonder why you lose your wallet?!) PLENTY of people need a bag, a small one.
Medication for example (and her purse, phone, bits and bobs - we don't all drive, you try getting a bus for an hour with nowt with you) - My mum needs to take quite a few bits with her, if she shoved it all in her coat pockets she'd be bulging so much they'd think she had a bombvest on under it!
Personally if we're getting this paranoid i suggest we all go there topless, just to prove we havn't got anything strapped to ourselves to take everyone out with ;)




Rubbish! You think that's what bags are full of?!

So it's ok to expect people to go without things they NEED with them if they are out of the house for 4 hours? But you guys go apeshit when there's no alcohol in the stadium on euro nights cos you can't go to a match without drinking?! And don't get me started on the idiots who can't last without smoking. But hey - they're all ok by you cos they don't need a bag!


Anyway, the city store wouldn't do much trade on a match day if people can't take in what they've just bought in a bag!

What's so important that's in your bag then. Its just a habit bag carrying.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I didn't know you posted on here mum! I wrote about you on the previous page! I guess pretending you were from Eccles hid your identity from me ;)

(sorry for the joke Eccles Blue! And i fully agree with what you're saying)

I read that son, which is why I also posted. :-)
We all have to stick together and the day we can't laugh at ourselves that's the day we give up as the human race. (Not laugh at the atrocities but to keep ourselves from brooding.)

Not so long ago we all had to take medication to the match

Now I take it for the opposite reason, I get so excited when I see Vinnie................. whoops, too much information. (I'm old not dead for goodness sake!!) ;-)

 

[mosssideblue]

As many have already said, be vigilant and report anything suspicious. I'm sure anyone on here would fully understand if security checked us out as someone had pointed us out because they were worried about something.

 

[crmcfc]

Obviously a certain type of demographic? Go on then, set the parameters. Shall we have a colour chart that people have to stand by on their way in?

Aside from the absurdity of what you're getting at there is NO evidence that racial profiling works. Not only that, do you not get that the whole point of attacks like the one in France was to create even more division between Muslims and the rest of our society? You'd be creating even more terrorists by subjecting thousands of people to that kind of humiliation week in week out. We'd be safer if we cancelled matches all together than go down that road.

Don't think we need to cancel matches altogether and I don't think colour charts are appropriate in this day and age. Would a white male be more or less likely to detonate a bomb in public right now than someone of middle eastern or Asian appearance look I'm not comfortable at all with this but its a very inconvenient truth.

Its typical of the cord wearing liberal luvvies that we cannot offend someone by a 30 seconds bag check in case it gives justification for that person to then go and massacre 127 people, its the apologists who have created this in the first place.

I'm offended by mass murder as it happens no matter what religion it is commited by.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

If any stadium gets hit, it certainly wont be one owned by a Muslim.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If any stadium gets hit, it certainly wont be one owned by a Muslim.

Yes because as we all know ISIS haven't harmed any fellow Muslims. And certainly not ones from a country that is taking military action against them.

Are you completely brain dead?

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Yes because as we all know ISIS haven't harmed any fellow Muslims. And certainly not ones from a country that is taking military action against them.

Are you completely brain dead?

They need public opinion in arab states to be on their side. Targetting a stadium that is owned by an Abu Dhabi skeikh would only weaken them.

 

[geoff clipp]

Don't think we need to cancel matches altogether and I don't think colour charts are appropriate in this day and age. Would a white male be more or less likely to detonate a bomb in public right now than someone of middle eastern or Asian appearance look I'm not comfortable at all with this but its a very inconvenient truth.

Its typical of the cord wearing liberal luvvies that we cannot offend someone by a 30 seconds bag check in case it gives justification for that person to then go and massacre 127 people, its the apologists who have created this in the first place.

I'm offended by mass murder as it happens no matter what religion it is commited by.

I have literally no idea how you think this idea will make us safer and I'm genuinely curious as to how you define the selection criteria. This is nothing to do with being a cord wearing leftie, its unenforceable and massively dangerous to wider society.

A cleanly shaven middle eastern person in western clothing doesn't look that different to lots of western people. Im genuinely curious as to how brown someone needs to be to be pulled aside in this bizarre experiment?

also lots of Islamist terrorists aren't of Asian appearance. Boko Haram and Al Shabaab have already declared allegiance to Isis so you're going to have check all black people too if it's going to be worth it.

It's a horrible idea that wouldn't protect us one bit. And I'll say it again, we would be safer as whole to cancel matches all together than introduce a system where we start treating anyone that isn't pale skinned as an outsider.

 

[Dribble]

Don't think we need to cancel matches altogether and I don't think colour charts are appropriate in this day and age. Would a white male be more or less likely to detonate a bomb in public right now than someone of middle eastern or Asian appearance look I'm not comfortable at all with this but its a very inconvenient truth.

Its typical of the cord wearing liberal luvvies that we cannot offend someone by a 30 seconds bag check in case it gives justification for that person to then go and massacre 127 people, its the apologists who have created this in the first place.

I'm offended by mass murder as it happens no matter what religion it is commited by.

Mate, I think what geoff clip is getting at is not people being searched, but doing so based on colour. I completely agree with him because how would this be implemented; everyone who comes near the ground is lined up against a certified Pantone Reference colour chart? At what colour does the Pantone chart commence from and where about on the spectrum would be considered a safe enough colour not to be checked? Would the security personnel charged with the responsibility be checked prior for colour blindness? Will they be trained to use a spectrophotometer to confirm the 'shade' of the 'suspects'? Also what about the Barry the Bomber types of this world like the film 'The Four Lions'?

One of the bushiest most impressive beards I've seen since first clapping eyes on Yosemite Sam is a fully blue eyed, as Anglo Saxon as they come white Muslim fella who used to run an all night off licence near my Mums. This fella wears the full white traditional Muslim garms with the cap and sandals in all weather conditions, so what would you suggest we do with him who I would assume falls outside your colour profiling idea?

We need to take sensible precautions, not be implementing a form of potential terrorist apartheid in football based on what shade of brown your skin happens to be.

 

[kippaxkid74]

What's so important that's in your bag then. Its just a habit bag carrying.

Hmmmm on the wind up or can you really not read...? I'm not sure which.
Anyway, the post of mine you quoted answered your question as to why mum needs a bag, as did Eccles Blue.

 

[geoff clipp]

We need to take sensible precautions, not be implementing a form of potential terrorist apartheid in football based on what shade of brown your skin happens to be.

Yes. This.

 

[cibaman]

If any stadium gets hit, it certainly wont be one owned by a Muslim.

That's rather like saying that terrorists in Northern Ireland wouldn't attack Christians

 

[mancityvstoke]

That's rather like saying that terrorists in Northern Ireland wouldn't attack Christians

or no muslims were killed in the Paris attack

 

[coleridge]

They need public opinion in arab states to be on their side. Targetting a stadium that is owned by an Abu Dhabi skeikh would only weaken them.

Your trying to attribute rational thought to lunatics. They will twist whatever it is to their own 'message'. In addition, as French bombers are taking off from UAE runways, I respectfully suggest that you think again.

 

[lancs blue]

The way i see it is this. Im a S/C holder. Like most of you on here. I sit in the same place every week. I know pretty much every face within a given radius. I imagine all the people around me see the same, as would your selves. When you get to your seat on saturday have a ganders around you for all your familiar faces. If you see someone out of place, a non regular who doesnt appear to be showing any interest in the footy then report that person to a steward. If someone reported me for a check, I wouldnt mind, im an innocent. Its not just up to the officials in this country to do all the work. Its up to us also to be vigilante within reason and common sense. Anyone carrying a bomb who is about to blow them selves up will not be acting normally, even if they believe in what they are doing. Its human nature. At the very least they will be praying before committing such a weak, selfish and evil act.
So without being excesively paranoid on saturday, show some awareness. If the officials are seroius about checking they will of been issued and trained this week to use hand scanners that scan for tell tale conductive materials on the way into the ground and all staff will be checked out well before gate open times, even there back backgrounds if need be. So let enjoy the game on saturday.

Re-read your post, it's exactly what you are being. Also in some parts of the stadium there are different faces every home game, for example the rows behind me in 303 generally have the weekend match-break brigade in there, and many of them have brown skin and could even be Muslims, shock-horror!

 

[cibaman]

The way i see it is this. Im a S/C holder. Like most of you on here. I sit in the same place every week. I know pretty much every face within a given radius. I imagine all the people around me see the same, as would your selves. When you get to your seat on saturday have a ganders around you for all your familiar faces. If you see someone out of place, a non regular who doesnt appear to be showing any interest in the footy then report that person to a steward. If someone reported me for a check, I wouldnt mind, im an innocent. Its not just up to the officials in this country to do all the work. Its up to us also to be vigilante within reason and common sense. Anyone carrying a bomb who is about to blow them selves up will not be acting normally, even if they believe in what they are doing. Its human nature. At the very least they will be praying before committing such a weak, selfish and evil act.
So without being excesively paranoid on saturday, show some awareness. If the officials are seroius about checking they will of been issued and trained this week to use hand scanners that scan for tell tale conductive materials on the way into the ground and all staff will be checked out well before gate open times, even there back backgrounds if need be. So let enjoy the game on saturday.

I think that would almost certainly not identify any terrorists. It might be a good way of identifying away fans sat in the home end.

 

[Tarzan41]

The way i see it is this. Im a S/C holder. Like most of you on here. I sit in the same place every week. I know pretty much every face within a given radius. I imagine all the people around me see the same, as would your selves. When you get to your seat on saturday have a ganders around you for all your familiar faces. If you see someone out of place, a non regular who doesnt appear to be showing any interest in the footy then report that person to a steward. If someone reported me for a check, I wouldnt mind, im an innocent. Its not just up to the officials in this country to do all the work. Its up to us also to be vigilante within reason and common sense. Anyone carrying a bomb who is about to blow them selves up will not be acting normally, even if they believe in what they are doing. Its human nature. At the very least they will be praying before committing such a weak, selfish and evil act.
So without being excesively paranoid on saturday, show some awareness. If the officials are seroius about checking they will of been issued and trained this week to use hand scanners that scan for tell tale conductive materials on the way into the ground and all staff will be checked out well before gate open times, even there back backgrounds if need be. So let enjoy the game on saturday.

What will we do at CL games when most people around me are non regulars with no interest in the football?

 

[LevyBee76]

I am against banning bags I am taking 2 guys tomorrow who have very complex disabilities who need lots of medication, thickener for drinks, and lots of other stuff, we need bags and we will be taking bags we are going early so they can be checked and expect wheelchairs to be checked

 

[crmcfc]

I have literally no idea how you think this idea will make us safer and I'm genuinely curious as to how you define the selection criteria. This is nothing to do with being a cord wearing leftie, its unenforceable and massively dangerous to wider society.

A cleanly shaven middle eastern person in western clothing doesn't look that different to lots of western people. Im genuinely curious as to how brown someone needs to be to be pulled aside in this bizarre experiment?

also lots of Islamist terrorists aren't of Asian appearance. Boko Haram and Al Shabaab have already declared allegiance to Isis so you're going to have check all black people too if it's going to be worth it.

It's a horrible idea that wouldn't protect us one bit. And I'll say it again, we would be safer as whole to cancel matches all together than introduce a system where we start treating anyone that isn't pale skinned as an outsider.

Its need to be looked out with an over arching view and a bit of common sense applied, if any of this made the public 1% safer it is worth it. I think I have defined the "selection" criteria obviously you would do this alongside random searches of Joe Public. I'm happy to be stopped, searched or whatever is required. I have gone to many an away game when I was in my 20s and 30s and been pulled to one side and "patted" down by security because of my "profile" its not made me hate the world I don't understand why that would make anyone hysterical.

Look in an ideal world you should not stop more Asian/middle eastern folk, or welcome job application from minorities ahead of white people, or discriminate on sexuality, treat crime against black person more seriously than a white, have so few black people in positions of authority it goes on and on but we are decades away from where we should be.

It is radicalised British muslims and similar from across Europe that have posed a threat over the last 5 years. I think the risk from Boko Haram or AL Shabaab in the UK mainline is so minimal that you point is pointless.

You saying it is dangerous to wider society suggests its OK to commit acts of terrorism because your bag got searched beggars belief really, this is why we are in this position.

Lets stick to football I guess.

 

[crmcfc]

Mate, I think what geoff clip is getting at is not people being searched, but doing so based on colour. I completely agree with him because how would this be implemented; everyone who comes near the ground is lined up against a certified Pantone Reference colour chart? At what colour does the Pantone chart commence from and where about on the spectrum would be considered a safe enough colour not to be checked? Would the security personnel charged with the responsibility be checked prior for colour blindness? Will they be trained to use a spectrophotometer to confirm the 'shade' of the 'suspects'? Also what about the Barry the Bomber types of this world like the film 'The Four Lions'?

One of the bushiest most impressive beards I've seen since first clapping eyes on Yosemite Sam is a fully blue eyed, as Anglo Saxon as they come white Muslim fella who used to run an all night off licence near my Mums. This fella wears the full white traditional Muslim garms with the cap and sandals in all weather conditions, so what would you suggest we do with him who I would assume falls outside your colour profiling idea?

We need to take sensible precautions, not be implementing a form of potential terrorist apartheid in football based on what shade of brown your skin happens to be.

Well I'd definitely search the chap with the beard!!